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From: Joshua Carty
Date: 2026 Apr 7, 08:20 -0700
David Pike... Thanks for posting your written notes on this. Interesting. But let me back up...
It's two stars, and you have given us their altitudes. That's a two-star fix. And we know many, many ways to solve a two-star fix. Agreed? The only thing missing, as far as I can tell, is an estimated position at some known time such as I might use to pick an AP for a normal H.O. 249 fix.
In actual marine navigation I would ALWAYS have an estimated position. By whatever means even a hundred years ago my estimated position would never be wrong by more than a degree at the outside. Your problem that you posted here is really a textbook story... An imaginary situation that I might get on an exam but not in real navigation. The only exception I can think of is a case like the photo Frank Reed posted that's similar, but that's the only case I can think of that wouldn't be a "trick question" on an exam. It's still not navigation, but it's similar.
Okay. Moving on! With the inputs you gave, my next step should be to get a crude estimated position from the altitudes as given. Then I can use that as an "AP". Then from there it's just another NO-FRILLS two-star fix. No tricky math. No spherical trigonometry (at least not directly). No Van Allen Belts needed either! Does anyone have a good way to get an initial position estimate?
Josh






