Welcome to the NavList Message Boards.

NavList:

A Community Devoted to the Preservation and Practice of Celestial Navigation and Other Methods of Traditional Wayfinding

Compose Your Message

Message:αβγ
Add Images & Files
    Name or NavList Code:
    Email:
       
    Reply
    Re: Polaris plus one
    From: Antoine Couëtte
    Date: 2023 Jun 24, 08:24 -0700

    Regarding Venus :

    (1) - Refraction

    Once corrected for dip, H1 = 23°23' , H2 = 19°13' , mean value Hm = 21°18'

    Standard Refraction for H1 = 2.25' , Standard Refraction for H2 = 2.76' , Standard Refraction Mean Value (SRMV) : 2.50'

    Standard Refraction for Hm = 2.47' , very close from SRMV hereabove.

    Hence we can safely consider that between H1 and H2, Standard Refraction is exactly linear.

    (2) - Averaging Heights and Time

    We know that averaging just 2 Heights over a 5 minute time period yields a maximum error of 0.1' in the worst case.

    Accordingly, with only its quadratic error increase being significant here, averaging just 2 heights over a 10 minute period - which is the case here for Venus - yields a maximum error of 0.4' .

    Preliminary Conclusion and implementation: good opportunity to use averaged Venus values here since their averaged time is almost exactly the Polaris observation time.

    Therefore no need to know about course and speed. In other words no need to use a running fix.

    Hence with HoE = 25ft, Temp = 23°C, P = 1013.25 mb and from: 00:35:00 Polaris at 34°27' and Venus at 21°22.25', get a 00:35:00 Fix at N34°58.7' - W067°07.3'

    *******

    Full running Fix

    Probably marginally more reliable.

    At 00:35:00 it yields a position at N34°58.7' - W067°07.5' 

    CONCLUSION : Averaging conditions ideally set here - thanks to you Frank - and yielding a rather simple Fix as good as running fix.

    Last word : why a x7 scope magnification ? Maybe to shoot Venus LL ? I personally have strong doubts about the efficiency of such method.

    Rather than resorting to the standard Gravity Center coordinates published in the NAL, I strongly favour instead using the offset center of light (phase effect), this being the default set up of my own ephemeris.

    In this actual case the phase effect is slightly under 0.1' (amounting to 0.094' actually) and is almost negligible here.

    A few years back I published an example of a mid 70's daylight Venus observation in the Pacific Ocean with a phase effect very close to 0.4' .

    ONLY the phase correction method works here since you do observe the light gravity center then.

    Kermit

       
    Reply
    Browse Files

    Drop Files

    NavList

    What is NavList?

    NavList is a community devoted to the preservation and practice of celestial navigation and other methods of traditional position-finding. We're a group of navigators, navigation enthusiasts and hobbyists, mathematicians and physicists, and historians interested in all aspects of navigation but primarily those techniques which are non-electronic.

    To post a message, if you are already signed up as a NavList member, start a new discussion or reply to any posted message and use your posting code (this is a simple low-security password assigned when you join). You may also join by posting. Your first on-topic messsage automatically makes you a member, and a posting code will be assigned and emailed to you for future posts.

    Uniquely, the NavList message boards also permit full interaction entirely by email. You can optionally receive individual posts or daily digests by email, and any member can post messages by email (bypassing the web site) by sending to our posting address which is "NavList@NavList.net". This functionality is similar to a traditional Internet mailing list: post by email, read by email, reply by email. Most members will prefer the web interface here for posting and replying to messages.

    NavList is more than an online community... more about that another day.

    © Copyright notice: please note that the rights to all messages and posts in this discussion group are held by their respective authors. No messages or text or images extracted from messages may be reproduced without the explicit consent of the message author. Email me, Frank Reed, if you have any questions.

    Join / Get NavList ID Code

    Name:
    (please, no nicknames or handles)
    Email:
    Do you want to receive all group messages by email?
    Yes No

    A NavList ID Code guarantees your identity in NavList posts and allows faster posting of messages.

    Retrieve a NavList ID Code

    Enter the email address associated with your NavList messages. Your NavList code will be emailed to you immediately.
    Email:

    Email Settings

    NavList ID Code:

    Custom Index

    Subject:
    Author:
    Start date: (yyyymm dd)
    End date: (yyyymm dd)

    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site