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    Re: What precision is required in cel nav?
    From: Henry Halboth
    Date: 2015 Jul 20, 23:25 -0400
    John,

    You have stated ..... "However, the 0.7' of arc 'result' is entirely feasible.  I can say this having seen my own and many other star fix cocked hats on ship's plotting sheets."

    And, I certainly agree. Particularly under favorable conditions, including an excellent horizon and of course a good quality, reliable sextant. As a hobby; I frequently sought to check the position of various lighthouses on the West and East African coasts by means of astronomical observations - as a rule, I found these lights to be situated within less than 0.4' of there charted positions.  Unfortunately, the smallest vessel aboard which I employed celestial navigation at sea was a 60 FT tug which I undertook to deliver from New Orleans to Kingston, Jamaica, in 1967, or thereabouts - although we experienced significant heavy weather enroute, no difficulty was exprienced in producing cartwheel star fixes during the passage.  At one time, I posted the results of various land based sights, taken from known positions on the NC coast on a varying quality horizon which, as best as I recall, also supported an accuracy in the order of 0.7'. I hope to go to the coast once again this summer and will  have my sextant with me for a "navigation vacation."

    Regards,

    Henry

    On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:06 PM, John Brown <NoReply_JohnBrown@fer3.com> wrote:

    Francis

    I suppose that the results of the 1957 investigation into the accuracy of astronomical observations at sea represent a 'best guess', given the limitations of the data.  Has there ever been a comparable study?  Henry's 2009 post has interesting insights into alternative ways of judging accuracy.

    However, the 0.7' of arc 'result' is entirely feasible.  I can say this having seen my own and many other star fix cocked hats on ship's plotting sheets.

    The comparison with obtainable results on 30-40 ft yachts is of course unfair, as I also know from first hand experience.  I carry a Freiberger yacht sextant and a Davis Mk 3 on my 36 footer, but they now spend more time in their lockers than my fishing gear, which also produces statistically dodgy results.

    SR methods are are always interesting to me.  I note your enthusiasm for slide rules.  I own a few of these and my problem is tiny, closely spaced numbers and 'slippage' - made worse on the boat by cold, wet hands.  However, I do occasionally play with my 10" Blundell Harling Academy 504, marine navigation model, which features in JC Podmore's book The Slide Rule for Sea and Air Navigation. Still available from the publishers, in brand new hardback, at the astonishingly low price of £2.76, plus postage. Many people seem to have difficulty extracting numbers from tables and adding them up, which I find relatively easy.

    I am now trying to find my copy of Francis Chichester's Gypsy Moth Circles the World, in which I seem to remember he remarks on having forgotten the cosine-haversine formula, which he needed at some point. Perhaps too much past reliance on his Bygrave manipulations?

    Thread drift warning light comes on...

    Cheers

    John


       
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