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Re: 1421 The year China discovered longitude
From: Kieran Kelly
Date: 2004 May 9, 11:18 +1000
From: Kieran Kelly
Date: 2004 May 9, 11:18 +1000
Thank you for your comments: 1) My apologies - it is 1421 not 1491. Typo error. And yes it is 1421 the Year China Discovered the World. My heading was just a bit of tongue in cheek. 2) Both George Huxtable and Antonio Canas point out that the theory and practice of finding longitude by observation of eclipses was well known. I have no argument with this view. Menzies assertion however is that the Chinese by 1421 had used the technique to remarkable effect mapping most of the known world with extraordinary precision, placing virtually all the worlds continents in their exact cartographical positions. Eg he asserts that the East Coast of Australia had been mapped by this time, centuries before the Portuguese and English arrived here. He assets that the Venetian Marco Polo may have taken some of these charts back to Europe where they were eventually acquired by the Portuguese (Prince Henry the Navigator) and later the English. He repeats the oft-made claim, which I support, that James Cook had a Portuguese chart on the Endeavour when he arrived on the Australian East coast and that his chart had been copied from an earlier Chinese chart. (The latter part of that thesis may be a bit of a stretch.) It is not the theory I was questioning it was the practice. 3) Trevor Kenchington and George gave a very through explanation of how the observation could have been done in practice, which was very enlightening. However I am still a bit curious as to how time was measured and whether Menzies water clock would have been accurate enough. Trevor went on to say: "Were Chinese eclipse predictions at the time accurate enough for people to know which Full Moon would have an eclipse or did our hypothetical explorers have to sit around, month after month, waiting against the day when the Earth's shadow would cross the Moon's disc?" This was the reason for my query about the requirement for an accurate Nautical Almanac. The Menzies hypothesis presumes a very advanced level of predictive ability in the Chinese astronomers. 3) Trevor also wrote: "But just because the Chinese of the 15th century ..... could have, or even did, determine longitudes from eclipses would not itself demonstrate that they fixed the locations of anywhere outside the well-known range of Chinese voyaging in the decades before the Ming Ban. That would need a quite different kind of evidence." It is the evidence of the maps themselves that Menzies is holding up for scrutiny. The existence of these very accurate and detailed maps of Magellan's Passage, Greenland and the east cost of America centuries before Europeans arrived would I believe require some rewriting of history. Thanks for the assistance. At least we know it may have been possible for the Chinese to calculate longitude on land when they did. I remain a sceptic about a lot of Menzies claims but ever since I was a child I have wondered how Magellan knew there was a straight at the bottom of South America that he could sail through to get to the Pacific Ocean. If nothing else, Menzies supplies one possible explanation. Kieran Kelly Sydney Australia'