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Re: 3-Star Fix - "Canned Survival Problem"
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2008 Jun 11, 14:29 +0100
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2008 Jun 11, 14:29 +0100
I've been looking in a bit more detail at the diagram, provided with Andres Ruiz' computation, showing his resultant "cocked hat", and it's left me a bit puzzled. I haven't found a way to print out that plot, so my comments refer only to the picture as I see it on my screen. The final "fix" (affected as it may be by an error in the time of the Pollux observation, an error which isn't my present concern) is placed at the centre of the plot, at (0.0, 0.0) on the graph, so its actual lat and long are not shown on the plot, except as nearby text. But what are the x and y scales on that plot? The y scale is simple enough. It shown changes in latitude, in minutes and in nautical miles , which are the same thing, positive going North. If angles measured on that plot are to mean anything, then the x axis should be to the same scale of miles on the plot, and so a position circle should plot as a circle. On my screen, that doesn't happen; a position circle plots as an ellipse, horizontally squashed. So on that picture, angles will be distorted. What about the units along the horizontal scale, then? Although there's nothing to say so, those are plotted in nautical miles, also, even though that scale of miles differs from the miles of Northing. It's only possible to quantify shifts in longitude by doing some trig., and arithmetic. To me, that appears to choose the worst of all possibilities. The two scales, horizontal and vertical, should be the same in miles, the vertical scale should be MARKED in minutes of lat. (as it is), and the horizontal scale should be MARKED in minutes of long., so that lat and long can be read straight off it. ============== Additionally (and this is a separate matter) Andres' program appears to treat all longitudes as Easterly, so that a Westerly longitude is shown as negative. To me, this seems somewhat perverse, though I am aware that many programs (particularly for astronomy) do so. We navigators work in hour angles (GHA and LHA) for our positions of bodies in the sky, and those hour angles are always measured Westwards, so that they always increase with time. An hour angle is nothing else but the longitude of the body, measured Westerly from Greenwich, 0 to 360. Why don't we measure our geographical longitudes exactly the same way, so that we simply difference the longitudes to get local hour angle? Meeus is an astronomer who sets us a sensible example. It seems madness to measure hour-angles as positive Westwards, and longitudes as positive Eastwards. Can anyone really justify it? contact George Huxtable at george@huxtable.u-net.com or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222) or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Navigation List archive: www.fer3.com/arc To post, email NavList@fer3.com To , email NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---