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Re: Avoiding collision.
From: Doug Royer
Date: 2003 Oct 7, 11:38 -0700
From: Doug Royer
Date: 2003 Oct 7, 11:38 -0700
George,let me make something clear to you and all.That incident happened many years ago(1994 I think).It was decided by the master on a transit from S.F. to a point east of the Mollucian Straights to do this.It was used as an example and is not always done by all masters on every transit.It is something to look forward to and gives the crew who wish to participate an incentive to do so.Most masters I serve with require at minimum of 1 observation be taken and LOGGED each 24 hr.Usually more are taken.We don't use observations as the main means of position finding! I wish you all had an oppertunity to spend a week on the bridge of a working vessel.Your eyes most assuredly would be opened as to the duties and responsibilities required. For your information when entering an area of traffic the nav. watch switches to and relies on ARPA Radar.All merchie vessels must have this system in place.All members must be certified radar observers.ARPA has the ability to acquire and track multiple targets giving both the CPA and Time of CPA and all track histories,positions and projected tracks and positions of all selected targets.Collision avoidance is a serious matter and is taken very seriously by the bridge. I'm not going to get into an argument with any of you concerning a small vs. a large vessels rights.Have you any idea how difficult it is to manouver a large vessel when in a confined area with multiple vessels going hither and yon?Yes,I've ordered course and speed changes as needed.I've also had to order emergency manouvers because some small vessel drivers don't understand or even know the rules of manouver.Smaller vessels are easier to manouver than a larger one.In a narrow channel(I've never been in the E.C.where you sail George)all small vessels including sail vessels must give way and not impeade the passage of a vessel that needs the channel.It is the responsibility of both masters to avoid a collision anywhere and anytime.So even if one vessel is stand on it must manouver if the give way vessel doesn't!Give me a break!Use common sense!It's better to be alive than right. All I can say is reguardless what you think all matters reguarding collision are taken most seriously!How many of your vessels are equiped with ARPA or have crew who are trained to rigorous standards?How many and what drills do you and your crews preform on a regular basis? The penalties for a M.M.O. who fails in his duties are much more severe than for someone who isn't lisenced. -----Original Message----- From: George Huxtable [mailto:george@HUXTABLE.U-NET.COM] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 08:15 To: NAVIGATION-L@LISTSERV.WEBKAHUNA.COM Subject: Avoiding collision. Doug Royer said recently, in another thread- >I had the opportunity to use both of these types of Russian(I should say >Soviet)sextants.One was owned by a Polish ABS I served with and he >consistantly got outstanding LOPs useing his.He won an $1800.00 pool on one >transit when his final position was less than 0.2nm from the ships GPS pos. >when the evolution was stopped by the master. My, that is encouraging! To think that the art of celestial nav is still sufficiently alive-and-well on the brige of American merchant vessels, to the extent of that much hard cash riding on the accuracy of observations and predictions. Somehow, it brings to mind another topic which doesn't seem to feature much on this list, that of avoiding collision. My own cruising area is mostly the waters of the English Channel, frequented by many pleasure craft but also the busiest passage in the World for the through transit of ships. Some parts of the through passage are split into traffic schemes where special rules apply: I am not considering those areas, but other parts of the Channel, where it is in no way a "narrow channel", and in which vessel are not constrained by their draught. In such circumstances we are all aware that the Colregs give right-of-way to a sailing vessel (which as the stand-on vessel is expected to maintain her course and speed) over any power vessel (which is expected to give way). We are all equally aware that no such thing will happen, and that instead the rule "Small vessels give way to large ones" will be applied. To give credit where it's due, there are a few exceptions. Naval vessels, I've found, can be relied on to keep clear where the rules say they should. In general, the many passenger ferries will usually do the same (perhaps because there are so many witnesses on board). But as a general rule, merchant vessels, from coasters to supertankers, won't divert from their path by the slightest smidgeon. Might is right. The colregs are considered irrelevant. Nobody on the bridge will even consider changing course by 5 or 10 degrees for a few minutes, to avoid a small craft. We are forced to give in to this bullying, of course. Nobody could survive sailing English Channel waters for 40 years, as I have, by sticking to his rights. I imagine it's the same everywhere, but it would be interesting to learn if others on the list have the same experience. As far as interactions between large vessels and small ones is concerned, the colregs are a dead-letter. But now Doug's revelation, above, adds something to the picture. Imagine the scene on the bridge, when everyone knows that there's $1800 riding on exactly where the ship will be, within a small fraction of a mile, at the moment the master gives the word. Which one among them is going to be brave enough to order a course change to avoid me in my pesky little sailing craft, a few miles ahead on the port bow? George. ================================================================ contact George Huxtable by email at george@huxtable.u-net.com, by phone at 01865 820222 (from outside UK, +44 1865 820222), or by mail at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK. ================================================================