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Re: Basque Whalers
From: Lu Abel
Date: 2013 Mar 8, 13:49 -0800
From: Lu Abel
Date: 2013 Mar 8, 13:49 -0800
I know about L'anse aux Meadows in Canada. I was wondering if there was reputable evidence of any other Europeans (eg, Basques) visiting North America before the 16th century.
Lu
Lu
From: Hewitt Schlereth <hhew36@gmail.com>
To: luabel@ymail.com
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 1:20 PM
Subject: [NavList] Re: Basque Whalers
Re Lu's query 1. A Viking settlement has been unearthed at l'anse aux meadows at the tip of the Newfoundland peninsula. Last I heard the dig there was ongoing. Hewitt Sent from my iPad On Mar 8, 2013, at 1:06 PM, "Lu Abel" wrote: > Thanks for your comments, Andres > > Maybe we should expand this discussion: > > 1. Is there genuine historical evidence of Europeans visiting North America before Columbus? Let me narrow that a bit by saying "deliberately visited" North America, I'm not thinking of accidental visits due to storms, shipwrecks, etc.* We know, for example, that the Vikings settled Iceland and Greenland before Columbus and there is evidence that most historians accept that they visited Canada. But is there any other evidence of pre-Columbian visits? > > 2. Did those visitors understand the tradewind and current patterns of the North Atlantic? Or, for example, did the Vikings row to Canada and only have the wind to carry them home?? > > 3. What navigational tools/concepts did these early visitors use? > > > > * I find it totally fascinating that there is some pretty good archeological evidence that Japanese landed on the west coast of South America, but I believe it's also accepted that this was probably a shipwreck and not a voyage of deliberate exploration or resource exploitation. > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Andrés Ruiz >> To: luabel---com >> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 11:04 AM >> Subject: [NavList] Re: Basque Whalers >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Basque country belongs to Spain and France, two nations in war during centuries. In XIV century the industry of the whale and cod had increased and was generating big profit. After Cristobal Colón, Columbus, Spanish navigators do not explored northen coast of America, Caboto (England 1497) and Cartier( France 1534 ) done. >> In 1565 the Basque whaler San Juan was sunk in Red Bay, Newfoundland Labrador, (see attached nautical charts). This well documented evidences are the starting point for many theories that said Basque navigators and fishermen maintained in secret their routes before Colón discovery. All hypothesys... >> Is fact that in the XVII century Basque people teached English and Dutch fishers to hunt whales, and the spanish king declared this illegal, and prosecuted that men. >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Bay,_Newfoundland_and_Labrador >> >> >> But the question is: they went there, how they navigated?, are the latitude by Polaris and LAN fix for latitude enough accurate in those days? amazing indeed! >> >> regards, >> -- >> Andrés Ruiz >> Navigational Algorithms >> http://sites.google.com/site/navigationalalgorithms/ >> Attached File: >> >> >> Attached File: >> >> >> >> : http://fer3.com/arc/m2.aspx?i=122729 >> >> > > : http://fer3.com/arc/m2.aspx?i=122732 > >: http://fer3.com/arc/m2.aspx?i=122733