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Re: Dating Caesar's first incursion to Britain
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2008 Jul 9, 10:41 +0100
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2008 Jul 9, 10:41 +0100
Bill Morris said, about those web pages on the "research project" concerning the tides at the time of Cauar's landing- "But the extract is a report of a report..." He is right to be somewhat leary about that. And he noted- "I'm a little confused by the extract. Caesar's Commentaries, Book IV Ch XXIII et seq give an account of his landing. His reference "It happened that night to be full moon, which usually occasions very high tides in that ocean" was four days after the initial landing.(Ch XXVIII and XXIX). I don't see any reference to "an ocean current that changed direction in mid afternoon." Well, not exactly. Caesar describes the crossing by his troops, and his landing, but tells us that the ships containing his cavalry didn't make it across on that day, and had to return to France. Then he goes on to say (in my modern Wiseman & Wiseman translation, "The battle for Gaul")- "On the fourth day after our arrival in Britain, the 18 ships mentioned above, which had taken on the cavalry, set sail from the northern port on a gentle breeze." and goes on to tell us how they were dispersed by a sudden storm that blew up and had to return once again. And he continues later - "That night there happened to be a full moon. This time of the month, although we did not realise it, regularly brings the highest tides in the Atlantic." So the full Moon, according to that text, occurred not on the date of the initial landing (which is the date that is being argued about) but four days later. Or perhaps three days, because the Romans tended to count such intervals in a way that included both the first day and the last day. What is actually being questioned is whether there might have been a trancription error in the Roman-numeral figure used in that phrase "the fourth day", and whether that IV (or IIII) for four, perhaps ought to have been VII, for seven. I have no views about that. The authors of the article infer tidal direction current changes on that day from the presumed direction of Caesar's travel, from the White Cliffs to his landing spot, if that was at Deal, and claim that this supports a revised date. There is indeed no reference in Caesar's text itself to any tidal changes, as Bill Morris points out. I have distinct doubts about the methodology the authors have used, and about the watertightness of their reasoning, and about several other aspects. However, I agree with their choice of a modern date that would be tidally equivalent, and with their estimated times on that day of Dover high-water and tidal-stream changes. But I won't go into those details unless someone shows an interest. It so happens that forty years back, I made a rather similar passage to what Caesar's must have been, from Boulogne, but in my case passing Deal and travelling on North through the Downs. And that was on a small yacht, without engine, with a cruising speed under favourable condition of at-best four knots. Not much different from Caesar's vessels, I expect, if their wind was fair, especially if they had oars to assist. But windward performance on my keelboat would have been vastly better. Caesar's prose comes across to me as beautifully concise, clear, and well expressed; a superb piece of reportage; though careful to show himself in a good light. Unable to read Latin, I can't judge how the credit for that should be divided between the author and the translator. However, the Wiseman's translation makes good reading. I should acknowledge many informative discussions on this matter with list-member Ted Gerrard, and kind help from Herbert Prinz. George. contact George Huxtable at george@huxtable.u-net.com or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222) or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Navigation List archive: www.fer3.com/arc To post, email NavList@fer3.com To , email NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---