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Re: Extremely poor conditions??
From: Alexandre Eremenko
Date: 2012 Mar 21, 17:36 -0400
From: Alexandre Eremenko
Date: 2012 Mar 21, 17:36 -0400
Greg, > I have had two different digital atomic clocks jump a complete > minute on me out of the blue for no reason. Are you serious??? Then who needs such clocks? We compared once with the GPS clock but I don't remember at what time exactly. If I were comparing myself I'd look at the seconds only, not on the minutes:-) But Bill was comparing. (All electronic toys, except a Casio calculator are his). I agree that I could misread a minute from my analog watch. > I still think you are a minute out in your time rather > than having a horizon 3.5 miles away elevated 11 moa. I also think that any efect of refraction cannot be that large. Moreover I think that the dip correction can never be positive, whatever is the state of the atmosphere. I looked at a remote shore in the S direction, and found absolutely no irregularities. And that the effect of any refraction on a Sun at 22 degrees high can not be much more than the Almanac says, I also do not believe. I estimated again the possible effect of the side error using Chauvenet formula. The side error, even a large one cannot be responsible for the effect either. What else??? Well, let me reduce our observations again, assuming 1 min time error, as you suggest:-) > You will need to go back out to the lake to take > more observations using the GPS time directly from the GPS unit or a > shortwave time tick directly. Well, it is not easy for me to go back there:-( I am in Lafayette, IN, this is 3 hours drive in one direction, and I don't have much time. I am waiting for Frank to come back (I suppose he is in Greenwich on some conference now) and confirm his words that 10' undershots of Sun at 22 degrees are "notorious" for the lake Michigan:-) Alex.