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Re: FOG's, was Re: automatic celestial navigation
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2008 Jan 26, 15:49 -0000
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2008 Jan 26, 15:49 -0000
For new readers- Frank Reed and Nicolas de Hilster have been indulging in a thoughtful dialogue about inertial navigation systems. These incorporate some sort of 3-axis gyro or "pseudo-gyro", for determining directions in space, and a three-axis accelerometer, for determining accelerations. These pseudo-gyros no longer involve a spinning element, but instead, send light around a closed path, clockwise and anticlockwise, and by measuring any minute difference in the time that those two beams take to go round the loop, discover whether there has been any rotation of the loop. They are still called "gyros", because they fulfil the same function as the traditional gyro, of detecting rotation, but there is nothing gyroscopic about them, any more. FOG stands for fibre-optic gyro, and is technically somewhat different from the other type, the ring laser gyro, but for our purposes we can consider them to be effectively the same thing. All are extremely precise, and VERY expensive. Back in Navlist 4411, Frank Reed wrote- "I don't want to annoy anyone by discussing something that is clearly not traditional navigation, but since it's strictly at the level of relating it theoretically back to the principles of celestial navigation, I hope no one minds for now. " However, I suggest he has no call to apologise for doing so. It is indeed highly relevant to many of our discussions. To me (at least) it's of great interest, though I have no detailed knowledge of the subject. In [4449], Frank wrote- "The principle underlying the FOG (and also the ring laser) is simple enough, and it lets a set of three preserve exact orientation in three-dimensional space. So, for example, we could arrange to point one fiber optic gyro towards the North Celestial Pole, another towards GHA=0, Dec=0, and a third towards GHA=90 degrees, Dec=0. And now no matter how much we bounce around, the system will always "remember" where those directions are." But I wonder whether he has got that right. The three directions he has specified are not fixed in space, but rotate with the Earth. Three axes, fixed in space could be- Toward the North celestial pole, with Dec = 90: toward Aries (in the Earth's equatorial plane), with Dec = 0, Right-Ascension = 0: and (also in that equatorial plane) 90 degrees from Aries, with Dec = 0, R.A. = 90. These axes remain (nearly) unchanging, in space. Although inertial navigation systems always show some drift, as a result of having to integrate (twice) the accelerations, which always have some zero-error, I doubt (from my inexpert perspective) whether any of that drift derives from the pseudo-gyros, which sense the orientation. They are looking at the position of interference-fringes of light, which shift as the device rotates, but which ought to stay rock-solid, in the absence of any such rotation in space. However, if they are strapped-down to a platform that is horizontal to the Earth's surface, then they will partake in the Earth's rotation, in a way which depends on latitude, and if that platform moves about on the Earth, the resulting shifts in the "horizontal" will also affect them. It's that participation in the Earth's rotation that Frank seems to have omitted from his argument, but needs to be considered in any attempt to understand how such systems work. However, I am no more than feeling my way toward such an understanding, and remain a long way from it as yet. May these arguments continue... George. contact George Huxtable at george@huxtable.u-net.com or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222) or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to NavList@fer3.com To , send email to NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---