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Re: Flinders' Survey of Australia.
From: Peter Fogg
Date: 2008 Mar 21, 04:08 +1100
From: Peter Fogg
Date: 2008 Mar 21, 04:08 +1100
As an illustrative example of how the 'top end' (or parts of the northern, tropical region of Australia) are "particularly isolated and barely inhabited", how often these days is a new mammal about as large as a human discovered?
"The Australian Snubfin Dolphin (Orcaella heinsohni) is a recently recognised species of dolphin, scientifically described in 2005."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Snubfin_Dolphin
I learned about this recently thanks to a segment on a TV science show
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/ (Kakadu Dolphins)
that showed how research into this species and another, the Indo-Pacific Humpback Dolphin, is being conducted in the South Alligator River, which itself must be fairly unique as a large (tidal for 100 kilometres upstream) river system contained within and draining a national park - the one featured in Crocodile Dundee (movie).
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Northern-Territory/Kakadu-National-Park/2005/02/17/1108500201631.html
Map here:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&q=South+Alligator+River&ie=UTF8&ll=-12.424507,132.449799&spn=0.659832,0.944824&t=h&z=10
However, the South Alligator is visited by thousands of tourists every year, and shouldn't be confused with the much less well-known and less visited area well to its west.
Also thanks to the marvels of Google, here is a map of this 'complicated coast with many off-shore islands and reefs':
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-15.707663,125.090332&spn=5.20177,7.558594&t=h&z=7
Using the tools at top left this map/satellite photo can be zoomed into, to quite a remarkable extent (scale is at bottom left). I imagine that these images would make a very useful adjunct to the best nautical charts available of this area, if visited by boat.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, <frankreed@historicalatlas.net> wrote:
>
>
> Peter, you wrote:
> "This is something that I have heard/read again and again although that, of
> course, does not make it true. It certainly sounds unlikely, particularly
> to anyone from long-established and well-mapped places. My understanding is
> that this applies particularly to parts of the north west (the 'top end' of
> the state of Western Australia) coast that have always been and remain
> particularly isolated and barely inhabited. As well, the coast is a
> complicated one with many off-shore islands and reefs, plus the tidal range
> is comparatively great. So all in all a good place to avoid."
>
> Yes, I can imagine. It would not surprise me at all if Flinders' positions
> were still the best available, let's say, fifty years ago. But I would bet
> they've been superceded. Similarly, there were some positions measured by
> Cook in the South Pacific that were the best available until some time in
> the middle of the 20th century. I can imagine one possible exception:
> soundings. There's no real replacement for direct depth soundings, and it's
> very possible that there are some from the 18th/early 19th centuries still
> present on Australian charts today.
>
> And:
>
> "Did I mention the crocodiles? "
>
> LOL. No. But I bet they're friendly and cute.
>
>
>
>
> -FER
>
>
>
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"The Australian Snubfin Dolphin (Orcaella heinsohni) is a recently recognised species of dolphin, scientifically described in 2005."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Snubfin_Dolphin
I learned about this recently thanks to a segment on a TV science show
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/ (Kakadu Dolphins)
that showed how research into this species and another, the Indo-Pacific Humpback Dolphin, is being conducted in the South Alligator River, which itself must be fairly unique as a large (tidal for 100 kilometres upstream) river system contained within and draining a national park - the one featured in Crocodile Dundee (movie).
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Northern-Territory/Kakadu-National-Park/2005/02/17/1108500201631.html
Map here:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&q=South+Alligator+River&ie=UTF8&ll=-12.424507,132.449799&spn=0.659832,0.944824&t=h&z=10
However, the South Alligator is visited by thousands of tourists every year, and shouldn't be confused with the much less well-known and less visited area well to its west.
Also thanks to the marvels of Google, here is a map of this 'complicated coast with many off-shore islands and reefs':
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-15.707663,125.090332&spn=5.20177,7.558594&t=h&z=7
Using the tools at top left this map/satellite photo can be zoomed into, to quite a remarkable extent (scale is at bottom left). I imagine that these images would make a very useful adjunct to the best nautical charts available of this area, if visited by boat.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, <frankreed@historicalatlas.net> wrote:
>
>
> Peter, you wrote:
> "This is something that I have heard/read again and again although that, of
> course, does not make it true. It certainly sounds unlikely, particularly
> to anyone from long-established and well-mapped places. My understanding is
> that this applies particularly to parts of the north west (the 'top end' of
> the state of Western Australia) coast that have always been and remain
> particularly isolated and barely inhabited. As well, the coast is a
> complicated one with many off-shore islands and reefs, plus the tidal range
> is comparatively great. So all in all a good place to avoid."
>
> Yes, I can imagine. It would not surprise me at all if Flinders' positions
> were still the best available, let's say, fifty years ago. But I would bet
> they've been superceded. Similarly, there were some positions measured by
> Cook in the South Pacific that were the best available until some time in
> the middle of the 20th century. I can imagine one possible exception:
> soundings. There's no real replacement for direct depth soundings, and it's
> very possible that there are some from the 18th/early 19th centuries still
> present on Australian charts today.
>
> And:
>
> "Did I mention the crocodiles? "
>
> LOL. No. But I bet they're friendly and cute.
>
>
>
>
> -FER
>
>
>
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