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    Re: Horizons, was Summary of Bowditch Table 15
    From: Fred Hebard
    Date: 2005 Jan 30, 14:49 -0500

    This is called deflection from the vertical, where the vertical points
    to the center of the earth.  It is not a significant factor until you
    get next to the Andes or some other huge mountain close to the sea.  As
    I recall, the  errors are on the order of 1' of arc or so, which would
    make it more a problem for surveyors than navigators.
    
    On Jan 30, 2005, at 2:25 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
    
    > Before Trevor has a chance to reply (if he wanted to) I have started
    > uncovering some information about the relevance of the plumb line to
    > celestial navigation.
    >
    > Bowditch 2002 makes the importance of the plumb line clear:
    > "Horizontal,
    > adj. Parallel to the plane of the horizon; perpendicular to the
    > direction of
    > gravity."  But I have found no other reference to gravity and the
    > plumb line
    > in Bowditch's text, where it is merely stated that the center of the
    > earth
    > is used as the reference for the horizontal coordinate system,
    > presumably as
    > an approximation for the plumb line?
    >
    > I found one paper which said, "An essential element in celestial
    > navigation
    > is the determination of the exact direction of the local gravity
    > vector. In
    > traditional, marine-sextant celestial navigation, the observed horizon
    > is
    > assumed to be a circle orthogonal to the local vertical (without
    > measuring
    > the local gravity vector)."
    >
    > But I have not learned the significance in CN of the difference between
    > assuming the geometric center of the earth, and using the plumb line.
    > Presumably the difference is not significant, given that we tend to
    > work
    > with precisions of about 1-2 NM at best?
    >
    > Jim
    >
    >>> -----Original Message-----
    >>> From Jim Thompson
    >>> Trevor wrote in reply,
    >>>> The sensible horizon might be better understood as a plane,
    >>>> perpendicular to the direction of gravity acting on the observer and
    >>>> drawn through the observer's eye. It is parallel to the celestial
    >>>> horizon because that too is a plane perpendicular to the direction
    >>>> of
    >>>> gravity acting on the observer but drawn through the centre of
    >>>> the Earth.
    >>
    >> Jim wrote but meant to finish:
    >>> I have not yet found an independant reference to this idea that the
    >>> horizontal coordinate system's horizons are perpendicular to gravity.
    >>
    >> Sorry, Trevor, I meant to complete this thought before posting
    >> that message,
    >> but my trigger finger slipped.
    >>
    >> I have not yet found an independant reference to this idea that the
    >> horizontal coordinate system's horizons are perpendicular to gravity.
    >>  All
    >> the definitions I have found so far refer to the center of the earth,
    >> not
    >> the direction of gravity.  You were challenging my comment that
    >> the horizons
    >> are perpendicular to a line drawn through the center of the earth to
    >> the
    >> observer's position on the surface of the earth.  I think what
    >> you meant was
    >> that this would only be true if the earth was a perfect sphere and if
    >> gravity pointed to the center of the earth, but the earth is geoid,
    >> and so
    >> the direction of gravity is a more proper reference than the center
    >> of the
    >> earth.  Is that so?
    >>
    >> Jim Thompson
    >
    
    
    

       
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