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When I go to that link the latitude and longitude is listed between
the "link to detailed records for station" and the "name of licensee."
This is very weird.  What do other guys find? I have pasted the
display here. It is wrapped around but on the link each station
appears on just one line.


KLAC       AM 570  kHz  DAN  Daytime         B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL--                5.0   kW
59958      N 34 4  11.00  W 118 11 36.00  1  Pacific  AMFM
BROADCASTING LICENSES, LLC
KLAC       AM 570  kHz  DAN  Nighttime       B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL--                5.0   kW
59958      N 34 4  11.00  W 118 11 36.00  2  Pacific  AMFM
BROADCASTING LICENSES, LLC
KFI        AM 640  kHz  ND1  Unlimited       A A LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BZ-19950209AC      50.0   kW
34425      N 33 52 47.00  W 118 0  47.00  1  Pacific  CAPSTAR TX
LIMITED PARTNERSHIP
KFI        AM 640  kHz  ND2  Daytime         A A LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL-20081001AVI     50.0   kW
34425      N 33 52 47.00  W 118 0  47.00  1  Pacific  CAPSTAR TX
LIMITED PARTNERSHIP
KFI        AM 640  kHz  ND2  Nighttime       A A LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL-20081001AVI     50.0   kW
34425      N 33 52 47.00  W 118 0  47.00  1  Pacific  CAPSTAR TX
LIMITED PARTNERSHIP
KSPN       AM 710  kHz  DAN  Daytime         B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL--               50.0   kW
33255      N 34 10 26.00  W 118 24 35.00  1  Pacific  ABC RADIO LOS
ANGELES ASSETS, LLC
KSPN       AM 710  kHz  DAN  Nighttime       B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL--               10.0   kW
33255      N 34 10 26.00  W 118 24 35.00  3  Pacific  ABC RADIO LOS
ANGELES ASSETS, LLC
KABC       AM 790  kHz  DAN  Daytime         B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL-RC1104TV         5.0   kW
33254      N 34 1  41.00  W 118 22 22.00  1  Pacific  RADIO LICENSE
HOLDING VI, LLC
KABC       AM 790  kHz  DAN  Nighttime       B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL-RC1104TV         5.0   kW
33254      N 34 1  41.00  W 118 22 22.00  2  Pacific  RADIO LICENSE
HOLDING VI, LLC
KHJ        AM 930  kHz  DAN  Daytime         B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL-20041018ADE      5.0   kW
37224      N 34 2  26.00  W 118 22 14.00  1  Pacific  LBI RADIO
LICENSE LLC
KHJ        AM 930  kHz  DAN  Nighttime       B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL-20041018ADE      5.0   kW
37224      N 34 2  26.00  W 118 22 14.00  2  Pacific  LBI RADIO
LICENSE LLC
KFWB       AM 980  kHz  ND1  Unlimited       B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL--                5.0   kW
25457      N 34 4  11.00  W 118 11 35.00  1  Pacific  CBS RADIO EAST
INC.
KTNQ       AM 1020 kHz  DA2  Daytime         B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL-19911104AD      50.0   kW
35673      N 34 2  0.00   W 117 59 0.00   5  Pacific  KTNQ-AM LICENSE
CORP.
KTNQ       AM 1020 kHz  DA2  Nighttime       B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL-19911104AD      50.0   kW
35673      N 34 2  0.00   W 117 59 0.00   4  Pacific  KTNQ-AM LICENSE
CORP.
KNX        AM 1070 kHz  ND1  Unlimited       A A LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL--               50.0   kW
9616       N 33 51 35.00  W 118 20 56.00  1  Pacific  CBS RADIO EAST
INC.
KTLK       AM 1150 kHz  DA2  Daytime         B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL-20000621AFF     50.0   kW
19219      N 34 2  0.00   W 117 59 0.00   5  Pacific  CITICASTERS
LICENSES, INC.
KTLK       AM 1150 kHz  DA2  Nighttime       B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL-20000621AFF     44.0   kW
19219      N 34 2  0.00   W 117 59 0.00   5  Pacific  CITICASTERS
LICENSES, INC.
KYPA       AM 1230 kHz  ND1  Unlimited       C C LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL-19860926AB       1.0   kW
18273      N 34 2  15.00  W 118 16 35.00  1  Pacific  MULTICULTURAL
RADIO BROADCASTING LICENSEE, LLC
KYPA       AM 1230 kHz  DA2  Daytime         C C CP   LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BP-20050228ACB      1.0   kW
18273      N 34 5  8.00   W 118 15 24.00  2  Pacific  MULTICULTURAL
RADIO BROADCASTING LICENSEE, LLC
KYPA       AM 1230 kHz  DA2  Nighttime       C C CP   LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BP-20050228ACB      1.0   kW
18273      N 34 5  8.00   W 118 15 24.00  2  Pacific  MULTICULTURAL
RADIO BROADCASTING LICENSEE, LLC
KWKW       AM 1330 kHz  DAN  Daytime         B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL--                5.0   kW
38454      N 34 1  10.00  W 118 20 42.00  1  Pacific  LOTUS
COMMUNICATIONS CORP.
KWKW       AM 1330 kHz  DAN  Nighttime       B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL--                5.0   kW
38454      N 34 1  10.00  W 118 20 42.00  2  Pacific  LOTUS
COMMUNICATIONS CORP.
KMPC       AM 1540 kHz  DA2  Daytime         B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL-20060224ACN     50.0   kW
61647      N 34 4  43.00  W 118 11 5.00   6  Pacific  P&Y BROADCASTING
CORPORATION
KMPC       AM 1540 kHz  DA2  Nighttime       B B LIC  LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BL-20060224ACN     37.0   kW
61647      N 34 4  43.00  W 118 11 5.00   6  Pacific  P&Y BROADCASTING
CORPORATION
KMPC       AM 1540 kHz  DA2  Daytime         B B CP   LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BP-20060322AAZ     50.0   kW
61647      N 34 4  43.00  W 118 11 5.00   6  Pacific  P&Y BROADCASTING
CORPORATION
KMPC       AM 1540 kHz  DA2  Nighttime       B B CP   LOS
ANGELES              CA US      BP-20060322AAZ     44.0   kW
61647      N 34 4  43.00  W 118 11 5.00   6  Pacific  P&Y BROADCASTING
CORPORATION



gl

On Dec 6, 5:01�pm, Lu Abel  wrote:
> Guess I need my eyes checked -- what I see when I bring up the link you
> posted is a tabular listing of LA AM radio stations. � The tabulation
> contains the following: �Call letters, frequency, a column that
> indicates day/night/both, a couple of unlabeled single-character
> alphabetic columns, a column that says "LIC," city, state, country, a
> wide unlabled column filled with things like "BL---" (license number?),
> transmitter power, link to detailed records for station, and name of
> licensee. � That's it. � No lat/long...
>
> glap...@pacbell.net wrote:
> > But the link I posted gives the location of all the antennas of AM
> > stations in Los Angeles on one page, look again.
>
> > gl
>
> > On Dec 6, 8:12 am, Lu Abel  wrote:
>
> >> Before I wrote my previous email I did get as far as finding a listing
> >> such as this. � But this one merely gives a list of stations in a
> >> particular area. � To get the lat/long of their antennas, one would have
> >> to click on each entry (and then another click or two) to get the
> >> lat/long for one particular station. � One would then have to manually
> >> copy that information into a separate document to make a list of the
> >> lat/longs of all stations in a particular area.
>
> >> Perhaps I misunderstood, but I thought your earlier post claimed one
> >> could get a lat/long /list /directly from the FCC site.
>
> >> Lu
>
> >> Gary LaPook wrote:
>
> >>> Here is an example, all the Los Angeles AM stations
>
> >>>http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?state=CA&call=&arn=&city=los+angeles&f...
>
> >>> gl
>
> >>> Lu Abel wrote:
>
> >>>> Do you have a URL for this list of lat/long for US stations? � I've
> >>>> searched the FCC site and the only thing I can find is something
> >>>> where you have to identify each individual station and after a few
> >>>> clicks you can get its antenna location. � And then it's in NAD27
> >>>> coordinates!
>
> >>>> Thanks
>
> >>>> Apache Runner wrote:
>
> >>>>> Although this is a completely out-of-the-box idea, I've been working
> >>>>> on an AM radio receiver/direction finder for fun. � �The FCC
> >>>>> publishes the lat/long for all stations in the US. �
>
> >>>>> I haven't seen a variable capacitor in ages, but managed to find
> >>>>> some beauties online, and am making my own antenna. � �Right now, I
> >>>>> think I can get an accuracy of maybe 3 degrees, but that's just a
> >>>>> guess. �
>
> >>>>> I'll post something when I have it up and running.
>
> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:03 AM, glap...@pacbell.net
> >>>>>   >>>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>> � � I know we have some commercial air pilots on the list and was
> >>>>> � � wondering if
> >>>>> � � they thought an aircraft RDF unit could be easily mounted on a boat.
> >>>>> � � The
> >>>>> � � aircraft industry seems to be the only ones making small units these
> >>>>> � � days.
> >>>>> � � I might go ocean cruising with a friend who is presently re-fitting
> >>>>> � � his
> >>>>> � � boat, and I am a big fan of redundancy, and thought this might be a
> >>>>> � � workable
> >>>>> � � solution.
>
> >>>>> � � ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>>> � � An ADF will work on a boat but they aren't cheap, the readout is
> >>>>> � � only
> >>>>> � � marked every 5 degrees and the antenna has to be mounted
> >>>>> � � somewhere. If
> >>>>> � � you want RDF capability just by an inexpensive digitally tuned
> >>>>> � � portable radio that covers the LF band such as the Grundig G5 which
> >>>>> � � also covers HF and has SSB capability so you can get your time
> >>>>> � � signals �too. These all have ferrite rod internal antennas which are
> >>>>> � � highly directional. Get one and tune a distant station. Then orient
> >>>>> � � the radio in different attitudes and rotate the radio until you
> >>>>> � � get a
> >>>>> � � null which will let you know the orientation of the ferrite rod.
> >>>>> � � Then
> >>>>> � � you can use the edge of the radio to indicate the direction to the
> >>>>> � � station. Place it on top of a universal plotting sheet to use as a
> >>>>> � � compass rose placed on a table or nav station desk and rotate the
> >>>>> � � radio to get a null. You may want to make a calibration table
> >>>>> � � for it.
> >>>>> � � Don't worry about the lack of a sense antenna which are really only
> >>>>> � � needed by an ADF since a human can easily determine which is the
> >>>>> � � correct bearing, the 180 degree ambiguity, which is a big
> >>>>> � � problem for
> >>>>> � � an ADF, is not a problem for a human.
>
> >>>>> � � gl
>
> >>>>> � � On Dec 4, 11:48 am, Bruce Hamilton  >>>>> � � > wrote:
> >>>>> � � > If GPS goes dark, Jeremy will be in a great position to
> >>>>> � � negotiate a salary
> >>>>> � � > raise.
>
> >>>>> � � > �I had great hope for e-loran as going to a single system with
> >>>>> � � no redundancy
> >>>>> � � > seems risky at best. Even when Loran C coverage was poor, even the
> >>>>> � � > information from a single chain would give you something to
> >>>>> � � work with. In
> >>>>> � � > the middle of Lake Superior, coverage was always spotty, and
> >>>>> � � on the East
> >>>>> � � > Coast of Canada we would often be on a single chain only 50
> >>>>> � � miles off the
> >>>>> � � > coast.
>
> >>>>> � � > Jeremy, do you still have a working RDF? �I used them on
> >>>>> � � aircraft all the
> >>>>> � � > time, but must admit the one on the first ship I was on was
> >>>>> � � not often used
> >>>>> � � > and this was pre-gps. I have a working portable (Ray
> >>>>> � � Jefferson) RDF that I
> >>>>> � � > am going to try in a friend's boat. It is a pity that the
> >>>>> � � technology got
> >>>>> � � > left behind in the GPS age as the modern RDF's are apparently
> >>>>> � � very good and
> >>>>> � � > very quick. The signal from the multiple antennas is instantly
> >>>>> � � processed and
> >>>>> � � > you get an bearing read out. �The Canadian Coast Guard use
> >>>>> � � them to get
> >>>>> � � > instant fixes from distress signals in pre-GMDSS days. They
> >>>>> � � have remote
> >>>>> � � > stations they use to get a cross bearings from. No GPS required.
>
> >>>>> � � > I know we have some commercial air pilots on the list and was
> >>>>> � � wondering if
> >>>>> � � > they thought an aircraft RDF unit could be easily mounted on a
> >>>>> � � boat. The
> >>>>> � � > aircraft industry seems to be the only ones making small units
> >>>>> � � these days.
> >>>>> � � > I might go ocean cruising with a friend who is presently
> >>>>> � � re-fitting his
> >>>>> � � > boat, and I am a big fan of redundancy, and thought this might
> >>>>> � � be a workable
> >>>>> � � > solution.
>
> >>>>> � � > A fine page of old RDF units
> >>>>> � � 
>
> >>>>> � � > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:09 AM,  >>>>> � � > wrote:
> >>>>> � � > > �I read the following on a maritime forum site. �Looks like
> >>>>> � � LORAN-C
> >>>>> � � > > systems run by the US will be shut down sooner than we thought.
> >>>>> � � > > -----------------------------
> >>>>> � � > > The US Coast Guard released an internal message advising of
> >>>>> � � the imminent
> >>>>> � � > > termination of the long range aid to navigation Loran-C.
> >>>>> � � Current plans call
> >>>>> � � > > for the termination process to commence on 4 January 2010.
> >>>>> � � The process is
> >>>>> � � > > expected to take several months. ALCOAST
> >>>>> � � 675/09(11/25/09).
> >>>>> � � > > *Note: This will mark the end of an era that started during
> >>>>> � � World War II.
> >>>>> � � > > The Loran system has improved greatly over the years and was
> >>>>> � � on the edge of
> >>>>> � � > > yet another advance: to enhanced Loran (eLoran). It is
> >>>>> � � unclear how other
> >>>>> � � > > nations, which operate their own independent Loran-C
> >>>>> � � systems, will react to
> >>>>> � � > > this development. *
> >>>>> � � > > Courtesy: Bryant�s Maritime Blog � 1 December
> >>>>> � � 2009
> >>>>> � � > > ------------------------------
>
> >>>>> � � > > Not that this will affect many large ships. �My ship hasn't
> >>>>> � � had LORAN
> >>>>> � � > > capabilities since the antenna broke 3 years ago and the
> >>>>> � � captain was too
> >>>>> � � > > afraid to order a new antenna. �Most merchant ships are
> >>>>> � � utterly dependent on
> >>>>> � � > > GPS at this point, and would have a tough time remembering
> >>>>> � � how to use the
> >>>>> � � > > sextant if it came down to that point. �It will only get
> >>>>> � � worse when the
> >>>>> � � > > younger generations take command, having never known a time
> >>>>> � � without GPS.
>
> >>>>> � � > > JCA
>
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