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Re: Lat/Lon by "Noon Sun" & The Noon Fix PROVE IT
From: Brad Morris
Date: 2009 Apr 22, 12:25 -0400
From: Brad Morris
Date: 2009 Apr 22, 12:25 -0400
Gentlemen I originally proposed this "Prove It" method, so that I could discover the truth and cut through the hyperbole. We proposed a test, in which George would give several altitudes around noon, and each contributor would then calculate the noon fix (lat lon) from the given altitudes. At this juncture, we seem to be waiting for a data set to be present to Jim Wilson. George, I urge you to complete that task so that we can see how a manually graphed method compares to the mathematically rigorous Excel least squares fit. We can see that the least squares fit certainly provides a fix much like Frank said it would. That is, Frank indicated longitude to within 5 miles, and Dave got 5.68 miles. Let us hope that there is no quibbling over 0.68 miles. I think for a least squares fit, we can convince ourselves as to the validity of the experiment. What remains then is the manual graphing or paper folding methods. While we can expect some degradation in performance, I do not believe we are discussing wholesale failure. Rather, there will be some variance from a rigorous curve fit to a mark-1 eyeball fit. This can be debated endlessly, as to the performance of one individual or another. However, it is my estimation that the fix will be within the ballpark, and the method "proven". I still want to see how Jim's method performs.... Best Regards Brad -----Original Message----- From: NavList@fer3.com [mailto:NavList@fer3.com] On Behalf Of George Huxtable Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:11 PM To: NavList@fer3.com Subject: [NavList 7987] Re: Lat/Lon by "Noon Sun" & The Noon Fix PROVE IT Dave Walden, having generated 1000 simulations of longitude-around noon, and arrived at a scatter of 5.68 miles rms, as reported earlier, then turned his attention to the 20 simulations I had invented. He sent me the results for deduced lat and long. In return, I then sent him the full table showing the presumed lat and long that I had taken as a starting point in each case. Dave has then analysed the difference between my 20 initial longitudes, and his deduced results, arriving at a scatter in longitude of 5.81 miles rms. This is only marginally different from his previous finding, and completely compatibe with it. I see no reason to question his result. I'm having a bit of difficulty in cobbling together an amended data set to meet Jim Wilson's method of working, but it will come. George. contact George Huxtable, at george@hux.me.uk or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222) or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK. "Confidentiality and Privilege Notice The information transmitted by this electronic mail (and any attachments) is being sent by or on behalf of Tactronics; it is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee named above and may constitute information that is privileged or confidential or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not the addressee or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to same, you are not authorized to retain, read, copy or disseminate this electronic mail (or any attachments) or any part thereof. If you have received this electronic mail (and any attachments) in error, please call us immediately and send written confirmation that same has been deleted from your system. Thank you." --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Navigation List archive: www.fer3.com/arc To post, email NavList@fer3.com To , email NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---