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Re: Lunar distance measurement in ideal conditions: attainable accuracy.
From: Alexandre Eremenko
Date: 2013 Jan 18, 18:17 -0500
From: Alexandre Eremenko
Date: 2013 Jan 18, 18:17 -0500
Greg, I think I checked all this many times, as well as I could. And I know that my vision deteriorates with age, and I do not see stars very clearly without a telescope. But vision deterioration would give larger dispection, scattering, not the systematic, constant bias that I observe. Conserinng the sextant itself it was checked by Freiberger, and never traveled much since. I never noticed any changes in the perpendicularity or index correction. The bias existed before and after Freiberger's check. I did not tell this to Freiberger people because the sextant was almost new then, I had little experience, and not so much statistics as I have now. Freiberger people did not adjust it, except putting some grease in the night scope eyepiece, because it was slightly shaking. And they issued a certificate with a table of corrections in seconds (!), for every 10 degrees, and the largest correction in this table is 7" :-) I could never detect any correlation between this table of correction and observations, and I never use these corrections. I agree that the error is small, and can be easily dealt with because it is constant. But still I was looking for explanation and could not find it. Alex. > Alex, > > 0.3' is a very small remaining systematic error. Declaring this personal > error may be the best way to go here but before you do that check: > > 1. Index mirror perpendicularity > 2. Side error > 3. Scope is parallel to frame > 4. Scope centered on horizon mirror > 5. Lenses clean > 6. Focus on Moon craters to get best sharpness > 7. Lenses free of condensation > 8. Eye centered in ocular > 9. Star or Planet split by Moon's limb (not tangent) > 10. Sufficient shading in place > > What I found that caused an unexplained systematic error was not looking > directly through the center of the ocular lens and then directly through > the center of the objective lens. Looking from one side of the ocular lens > to the far side of the objective lens caused a noticeable shift of the > image. A solution for this is to make an ocular peep sight then hold your > eye back off of the peep a bit. This forces centering. > > > Greg Rudzinski > > > [NavList] Re: Lunar distance measurement in ideal conditions: attainable > accuracy. > From: Alexandre Eremenko > Date: 18 Jan 2013 11:02 > Dear Doug, > > There is still some profound mystery about my Lunars, which I practice for > almost 10 years. Almost all observations are positively biased by about > +0'3 > in the average. Why this happens, I do not understand at all. > (This was discussed on the list many years ago, but no satisfactory > explanation was ever given), > The Index correction (which I frequently determine with all means at my > disposal) > is about -0'3, and stays constant since I bought this sextant, and I > always apply it. > The arc error was checked about 10 years ago by Freiberger and Cassens > Plath > (and I have 2 certificates issued by them). > > Frank once handled my sextant for a week or so, and found no systematic > error. > The only remaining explanation remains some sort of "irradiation" or > even more mysterious "personal error". > > Indeed, I notices that if I use IC -0'6 (instead of -0'3 that I always > find), > then all my observations will be centered (=unbiased, zero average error, > positive and negative errors equally likely). > > But this explanation is unsatisfactory for the following reason: > I mostly observe Lunars. If I do something wrong when touching the Moon > disc, > then the errors of far limb and near limb must be of opposite sign. > But they are of the SAME sign (always positive). > > It is the same for all range of angles, big or small, the amount of data I > have > is enormous. > My experience with other sextants is small (for statistics) and It does > not > show any similar bias. > > I almost always overshoot any Lunar or star distances. > And I have no plausible explanation why can this happen. > > Alex. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > NavList message boards and member settings: www.fer3.com/NavList > Members may optionally receive posts by email. > To cancel email delivery, send a message to NoMail[at]fer3.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > : http://fer3.com/arc/m2.aspx?i=121998 > > >