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Frank,

just 2 remarks and then I' ll be quiet:

You wrote:
"Such absurdity over conversations about navigation!"

I would agree with you if the conversations were always polite. But what
about your following statement adressed to George:

"Your experience with their history comes mostly from Cotter's book and
various other muddled modern sources like Howe, and also from late
19th/early 20th century textbooks and navigation manuals which were
published long, long after the period when lunars were commonly used at sea.
You learned lunars from mediocre sources, and it is no wonder that they
cause you so much confusion and that you are so convinced about their
supposed difficulties. YOU have a lot to learn, George."

For one thing: how do you know all these things about George? To me they are
just speculations/inferences on which you are basing a judgement of George
as a person. That in itself goes way beyond "conversation". And a second
thing: This sounds exactly like a teacher of yesterday telling a stupid
pupil off in a sneering tone. If you think that you can regard George as
that, that's up to you, but I don't. And I will voice this opinion whenever
necessary. But maybe it's just the peevishness of "Old Europeans" that
cannot understand the open talk of other advanced cultures.

And:

In stark contrast to your usual precision, you are again rather carefree in
saying that somebody else is "wrong":
"PS: Wolfgang mentioned the wrong message number previously. "

I recommended: "reading in the archive the posts after No. 3360."
Now the post you pointed to is 3372. In Old Europe 3372 is after 3360, so
what's "wrong" with that.

P.S. I hate picking on such detail, but as this group loves to discuss arc
seconds in celestial navigation, I feel obliged to point out arc seconds in
truth.

Wolfgang

Dr. Wolfgang K�berer
Wolfsgangstr. 92
D-60322 Frankfurt am Main
Tel: + 49 69 95520851
Fax: + 49 69 558400
e-mail: koeberer@navigationsgeschichte.de


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