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Re: Master & Commander
From: Trevor Kenchington
Date: 2003 Dec 10, 14:54 +0000
From: Trevor Kenchington
Date: 2003 Dec 10, 14:54 +0000
Jan, You asked: > what a relation was between the ranks post-captain and commander? When the post-captain disappeared from the Royal Navy? > > For what ship category the master began to be appointed? George has already touched on the first topic, though indirectly. As a courtesy title, the officer commanding any vessel could be termed her "captain". However, the rank of "Captain" in the Royal Navy was a key one. (In a sense, it was the highest that any officer could be promoted to, since all of the various grades of Admirals were simply senior Captains who moved up through those grades by seniority alone. Note that command at sea, whether of one ship, one squadron or an entire station was essentially independent of the rank of the individual and was a matter of an appointment, not a promotion.) To distinguish "Captain" as a position on a vessel from "Captain" as a rank, the latter was termed "Post Captain" and promotion to that rank was termed being "made Post". The date that a man was made Post determined his seniority in the Navy List and hence his point in the sequence of Captains waiting to become Admirals. An officer was made Post when he was first appointed to command a ship of sufficient size that it merited having a Post Captain in command. That meant any ship of the line, any frigate or a "Post ship" -- so called because they were the smallest vessels to carry a Post Captain. (They were 20 or 24-Gun vessels, similar to what the French navy called a corvette.) Smaller vessels were, early on, commanded by Lieutenants. Over time, a Lieutenant with the responsibility of individual command came to be termed a "Commander". Since such small vessels did not carry a Master, whose duties therefore fell onto the Commander, the official title was "Master and Commander". That was a formal rank by 1750. In 1794, according to Lavery, the title was simplified to "Commander". In the Great War ('94-'15), they commanded brigs and sloops. The American War had brought a requirement for very large numbers of very small patrol vessels and hence there were once again Lieutenants in individual command of war schooners. I think that the cutters used in European waters also had Lieutenants in command. As to the second question: I am not sure when the term "Post Captain" was dropped by the Royal Navy. It was after the period we are discussing but before Smyth's "Word-Book" of 1867. Then the ships which carried Masters: I cannot immediately find any confirmation but I suspect that any ship big enough to carry a Post Captain also carried a Master, hence any vessel of around 20 guns or more -- at least in theory. It should be understood that what happened on one particular ship at one particular time was not a perfect replicate of other ships at other times and reality was a mass of special circumstances. However, a Master on a ship carrying a Post captain but not on one carrying a "Master and Commander" makes sense. (The lonely Lieutenant facing an Atlantic crossing in an armed schooner might hope to have a Master's Mate to assist him.) One final point: Someone posted recently on this thread about an officer only getting a Post Captain's pay when he made Post. That was a misunderstanding. There was no one pay scale for a Post Captain: It depended on the size of the ship be commanded, with half-pay waiting for him if he was not appointed to any ship. Again, appointments to ships or to the command of fleets was separate from the rank held and seniority in that rank (save that nobody could be appointed to command over somebody with more seniority in the Navy List). Trevor Kenchington -- Trevor J. Kenchington PhD Gadus@iStar.ca Gadus Associates, Office(902) 889-9250 R.R.#1, Musquodoboit Harbour, Fax (902) 889-9251 Nova Scotia B0J 2L0, CANADA Home (902) 889-3555 Science Serving the Fisheries http://home.istar.ca/~gadus