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    Re: More on Thomas Hubbard Sumner
    From: Trevor Kenchington
    Date: 2005 Feb 10, 22:09 -0400

    George wrote:
    
    > What surprises me, is that it took until 1837 for navigators to realise
    > that a useful position line could be drawn from a single observation of the
    > altitude of a body, even if it wasn't at meridian passage.
    >
    > Indeed, in an earlier era, before Mercator charts were in common use, and
    > when navigators measured off a globe with dividers, that would seem to be
    > an obvious conclusion. If you plot the geographical positiuon of a body on
    > a globe, then draw a circle round it at a radius corresponding to the
    > measured zenith angle, then that circle is a locus of your position. You
    > must be somewhere on it. On a globe, it's visual, indeed obvious.
    
    [...]
     > But it still surprises me: why, oh why, did it take so long for
    intelligent
     > men to discover such a simple matter?
    
    
    But you can't plot the GP of a body unless you have GMT, which of course
    wasn't available in the period when navigators delighted in having their
    portraits painted with dividers in hand, marking off a distance on a
    globe. Sumner's realization that celestial LOPs could be drawn came only
    a few decades after the accurate measurement of time became practical at
    sea. It is that delay which needs to be explained, not the whole period
    from Prince Henry.
    
    So why didn't the use of LOPs follow swiftly after chronometers and
    lunar distances?
    
    For one thing, I'd take a guess that LOPs as such weren't understood for
    what they are, i.e. loci of position. If nobody thought in terms of a
    bearing of a seamark being a locus of their position, it would have been
    quite a step to figure out that such an abstract thing could be created
    out on the ocean just by a simple elaboration of the time sight
    calculations that they were already doing. [It may be worth noting that
    Sumner was as impressed by finding a bearing of the land (by which he
    seems to have meant a bearing to a known landfall) as by getting an LOP
    which could crossed with a second one to get a position.]
    
    However, I suspect that the prime cause was that the 18th century mind
    just did not well cope with the sort of linear problem solving which
    most of us now take for granted. (That's not the fault of our
    18th-century ancestors. We are the weird ones, applying a mode of
    thought which was essentially unknown for all but the last 200 or so of
    the 120,000 years, give or take, that our species has been around.) By
    way of illustration, I am currently working through Tunstall's tome on
    the history of naval signalling from 1650 to 1815. (Tunstall claimed it
    as a history of tactics but his treatment of tactical thought is largely
    limited to what he could glean from the evolutions for which signals
    were provided.) The inadequacies of 17th-century systems (based on
    assorted flags, with their meaning changing depending on where in the
    rigging they were flown) troubled Admirals for a hundred years, while
    there were multiple approaches to Popham's numerical system of 1803 over
    decades, yet nobody before him seemed able to figure out that with just
    ten numeral flags plus two substitutes, it was possible to send 1,000
    different signals with only three flags per hoist. To the modern eye,
    with the benefit of knowing the final answer, it all seems so bizarre.
    Why couldn't anyone see the obvious? But they couldn't.
    
    As another example, Sutherland's textbook of ship design, of 1711,
    devotes a chapter to the design of spiral staircases, which topic is
    addressed in terms that imply that the beauty and symmetry of the stairs
    were essential to fighting efficiency. By Stalkartt's work of 1787, such
    foolishness was left far behind, but there was still much attention to
    the shape of the hances in the rails. Not until the rigours of the long
    wars after 1794 did the Surveyors of the Navy figure out that it was
    better to build up bulwarks to protect the gun crews on the forecastles
    and quarterdecks of ships-of-the-line, rather than troubling over the
    elegance of the sheerline. Not until then did people seem to realize
    that they could manipulate cause-and-effect relationships to better
    achieve their goals.
    
    Of course there were remarkable individuals who thought in such ways
    very much earlier but there were not very many of them. The French did
    quite a good job of harnessing the brain power of their academicians to
    maritime problems (a very much better job of it than the English
    managed) but it needed communication between the people who faced a
    problem and those who could solve it -- which is tough to set up when
    the people who face the problem don't know that it can be solved, so
    don't frame it in their own minds in terms of a problem, as distinct
    from a burden to be endured.
    
    
    Then came Sumner, who evidently was trained to think in our modern way,
    who had to face navigational problems directly and who did find the
    solution which is obvious to us. Hence my interest in what combination
    of factors put him in command of a ship, such that he faced navigational
    challenges, after he had been given the training to solve them. And,
    since he evidently had what it takes to rise to command after once going
    to sea, that comes back to a question of why he shipped out in the first
    place -- and hence to just what it meant, in his specific case, to be a
    "common seaman".
    
    
    
    Trevor Kenchington
    
    
    
    
    
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