A Fixed Square Search is the in
first line evasion from getting astray , as soon as destination does not
run in sight at ETA . Such searches (also if circular) are very
waisteful on fuel so , if you are low your risk to run out on one of the
first search legs is too geat . Generally it is in the manuals
prescribed not to leave a position line once you are on it for the sake
of rescuers having a guideline .
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What manual recommends this procedure Mr. Van Asten? It would likely make interesting reading.
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What manual recommends this procedure Mr. Van Asten? It would likely make interesting reading.
Respectfully Submitted;
Irv
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Navigator´s Information File NIF ,
1944 April imprint , Section 3 , § 17 . 1 . "Landfalls" . Mr.Lapook has
on this forum given a link to this manual , if you do not possess it .
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Well there is nothing in this manual that supports Mr. van Asten's statement nor in any of the other manual excerpts that I put on my website. Here is a link to that document on my web site, see if you can find any mention of "rescuers" as van Asten claims.
https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/resources/navigator-s-information-file-1944
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Well there is nothing in this manual that supports Mr. van Asten's statement nor in any of the other manual excerpts that I put on my website. Here is a link to that document on my web site, see if you can find any mention of "rescuers" as van Asten claims.
https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/resources/navigator-s-information-file-1944
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pt. 4 of the paragraph : "Stay on
this line of position until another line of position shows you to be
off course . pt. 5 . Then repeat the process . But stay on a line of
position through destination . There is no ETA in a landfall other than
your best known groundspeed" .
I do not claim "rescuers" , but
it is clear , qualitate qua , and separating details from headlines ,
that searching along a line is more productive than searching at random ,
so if on a line and in distress : stay where you are is the word .
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And meaningless without a citation for what manuals he's talking about it.
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. Generally it is in the manuals prescribed not to leave a position line once you are on it for the sake of rescuers having a guideline .
A very interesting point that hasn't been brought up before on the forum.
Mona
And meaningless without a citation for what manuals he's talking about it.
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Navigator´s Information File , Section 3 , § 7 - 1 .
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So it's just one manual, not "the manuals." When published? If you're suggesting that it is something that may have influenced Noonan on July 2, 1937 it has to be published prior to that date.
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Just scroll up on this topic to van Asten's reply# 120 and you will see that he did "claim rescuers", this is just another example of Mr. van Asten's prevarications. Also scroll up to reply # 118. For those who might have come in late, see my prior post at:
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So it's just one manual, not "the manuals." When published? If you're suggesting that it is something that may have influenced Noonan on July 2, 1937 it has to be published prior to that date.
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I do not claim "rescuers" , but it is clear , qualitate qua , and separating details from headlines , that searching along a line is more productive than searching at random , so if on a line and in distress : stay where you are is the word .-------------------------------------------
Just scroll up on this topic to van Asten's reply# 120 and you will see that he did "claim rescuers", this is just another example of Mr. van Asten's prevarications. Also scroll up to reply # 118. For those who might have come in late, see my prior post at:
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Why would rescuers be "claimed" ?
The NIF texts do not contain the rescue item , but it is clear from
itself that if you leave the line you are flying along , without having
definite coordinates , you obstruct future rescue operations ,
especially if no flight plan has been left behind @ departure .
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Yes, why indeed did you write those words? Scroll up to reply # 120 and read those words that you wrote.
gl
Yes, why indeed did you write those words? Scroll up to reply # 120 and read those words that you wrote.
gl
Yes the rescue supposition was an
addition of myself , being the assumed rescue feature self evident ;
remember that there are essentials and inessentials .
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One of the essentials of this forum is intellectual honesty. I have asked Marty to remove you from the forum.
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Yes the rescue supposition was an addition of myself , being the assumed rescue feature self evident ; remember that there are essentials and inessentials .
One of the essentials of this forum is intellectual honesty. I have asked Marty to remove you from the forum.
?? I do not see anything wrong ,
I was giving a partial overview of a NIF paragraph with the addition
that staying on a line is in favor of future rescue parties , is that
forbidden ?
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Baloney. You wrote: "Generally it is in the manuals prescribed not to leave a position line once you are on it for the sake of rescuers having a guideline."
By your own admission that was an intentional outright falsehood. Good bye Mr. Van Asten.
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?? I do not see anything wrong , I was giving a partial overview of a NIF paragraph with the addition that staying on a line is in favor of future rescue parties , is that forbidden ?
Baloney. You wrote: "Generally it is in the manuals prescribed not to leave a position line once you are on it for the sake of rescuers having a guideline."
By your own admission that was an intentional outright falsehood. Good bye Mr. Van Asten.
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