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From: Federico Rossi
Date: 2008 Aug 16, 06:48 +0200
Richard,
I cannot understand your point.
The heading of the LOP and the calculated altitude are derived
on the basis of the EP (or AP depending on which method is used) so no change
takes place at all if Hs varies.
The position of each LOP with respect to the EP (or AP) is
determined by comparing the observed altitude and the calculated altitude.
If I use an index correction of +2’ instead of -2’, all my
altitudes will be 4’ greater and I will have to move the LOPs 4’ (or 4 miles)
towards the GP of the star.
This has nothing to do with the obvious consideration that 2’ of
error in altitude is not 2’ of error in fix position: 2’ of error in altitude simply
move the LOP 2’ (or 2 miles) towards or away from the GP of the star. In fact
in this example the error doesn’t seem to affect the fix at all, because I used
two couples of LOPs and the fix was calculated by finding the intersection of
bisectors of opposite LOPs.
Federico
Da: NavList@fer3.com [mailto:NavList@fer3.com] Per
conto di Richard B. Emerson
Inviato: sabato 16 agosto 2008 0.12
A: NavList@fer3.com
Oggetto: [NavList 6144] Re: Ocean Yachtmaster Exercises
Er, "advance all the LOP's by 4'" because of the
4.0' difference between on and off arc? Unless I've totally missed
something, that just doesn't work. All you can adjust is the Hs reading
to change from a reading 2.0' the "wrong" way to 2.0' the "right
way" (that is, add 2.0' to or subtract 2.0' from, as appropriate, the Hs
value). The LOP's, and the heading to the LOP from the AP in particular,
cannot be moved to just accommodate the Ic error in in the Hs data. Put another
way, 2.0' of error in altitude reading is not 2.0' of error in a fix's
position. Try reducing the sights with the "wrong" and
"right" Ic's and you should see why moving the LOP's alone simply
isn't right. If it happens that the LOP's do move by 4.0', it's only
coincidence.
Rick Emerson
S/V One With The Wind
P.S. I'd be much obliged if someone would send me, >off-list,
please<, the original excise data.
Federico Rossi wrote:
I agree with Jeremy that knowing the exact nature of the index error
in practical navigation is crucial.
I’ve also tried to advance all the LOPs by 4’ (considering thus
a -2’.0 index error instead of + 2’.0) and found that, apart from getting a
tighter group of LOPs, the fix (intersection of bisectors between opposite
LOPs) is almost the same, in fact bisectors tend to eliminate systematic errors
like this one and are more robust from a statistical point of view than single
LOPs.
Federico.
Da: NavList@fer3.com [mailto:NavList@fer3.com] Per
conto di Anabasis75@aol.com
Inviato: venerdì 15 agosto 2008 17.12
A: NavList@fer3.com
Oggetto: [NavList 6139] Re: Ocean Yachtmaster Exercises
Jim
wrote:
" I teach my students to ignore index error, since what
we
use is the index correction. They are opposite, and that can be
confusing."
Jim,
I agree with you on this for the paperwork reductions with
given information, but when checking the sextant for alignment, you had better
know how to read the micrometer drum to know if the error is on or off, and
having read it; knowing whether the correction is to be added or subtracted. I
think I may be missing something, but you can't just drop the whole concept of
on and off the arc errors in practical navigation.
Jeremy
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