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Re: Old style lunar (in expert hands)
From: Kieran Kelly
Date: 2004 Dec 10, 10:49 +1100
From: Kieran Kelly
Date: 2004 Dec 10, 10:49 +1100
Alex wrote in relation to land exploration: "Why did they use sextants rather than theodolites? As I understand, theodolite is a much more precise instrument, because of the stable platform. Its only disadvantage on land is that it is somewhat larger and heavier than a sextant. "Precisely. A theodolite with hardwood tripod legs weighs about 4x times as much as a sextant. Eg I own a Wild T1a theodolite. The combined weight of instrument, carrying case and tripod is 12 kgs. The Zeiss Yachtsman sextant and case which I use on expeditions weighs 2.8kgs. Also a theodolite is a much more delicate instrument than a sextant. My sextants have survived being bucked right off the back of a pack horse and on a recent expedition one travelled 750km on the back of a camel with only marginal change in index error over a five week period. Conversely a theodolite is more fragile with telescope, vertical and horizontal bubbles etc it is easier to get out of alignment. Nevertheless, a theodolite is a pretty robust instrument. I have been receiving instruction in the use of a theodolite over the past six months after years of using a sextant and I am very impressed with them. (Their accuracy and ease of use, not their portability. They are incredibly heavy to lug around.) The explorer Gregory who was also a surveyor never took theodolites on his exploring journeys. He claimed they were far too heavy and cumbersome. By this he meant they were too difficult to secure on the back of a packhorse. The tripod in particular is a difficult item to secure to a pack saddle eg on modern expeditions I have found the long handled shovel the most difficult item to secure to a camel saddle. Also the role of theodolites and sextants should not be confused. A theodolite is an instrument of surveying, a sextant an instrument of exploration and navigation. Explorers whether A C Gregory or Lewis and Clark were not sent out to make exact maps - they were sent out to discover and record - the theodolite followed the sextant. After Gregory the explorer came Larry Wells the surveyor, after Lewis and Clark came Mason and Dixon. And don't underestimate the accuracy of a sextant in the hands of an expert. I urge you to look at Gregory's results in my paper at http://users.bigpond.net.au/kjkelly/gregorylunar/A%20Lunar%20Distance%20Calc ulation%20v1.pdf. Yes he could get better results with a theodolite but for practical exploration and navigation purposes what was the point. In all my study of Gregory and his field lunars I have never found an error of Longitude of more then 8 nautical miles and that is in a country the size of Australia - same size as continental USA. Alex also wrote: "And you can certainly measure lunar or any other distances with it." I am interested in how this could be done. I have been using a theodolite regularly in practice for some time now, measuring horizontal angles between two land based features, altitudes of celestial bodies and their azimuths but how do you record the angular distance between two bodies using a theodolite in that a lunar distance requires simultaneous observations of two celestial bodies at a fixed point in time. This does not appear possible with a theodolite (my limited experience notwithstanding.) Happy to be corrected. Kieran Kelly Sydney