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Re: Online Captain's License?
From: Henry Halboth
Date: 2009 Mar 9, 20:50 -0700

I have no intention of debating Jeremy on this subject, except to state that I have walked in his shoes - only somewhat further - perhaps in the order of 50-years or more further, and over that period have dealt with the USCG on every possible level. He has not understood my use of the word "stature", and perhaps has no knowledge of the interaction between the USCG and the Merchant Marine Officer historically. I said nothing about training, knowledge, competance, or anything else he speaks of in his commentary. In retrospect, much of what he says actually appears to support my point of view, albeit unknowingly.

His comment on Master's demonstrating knot tying skills at a training session was of particular interest to me; was he, as Chief Officer of an American Merchant Vessel, required also to demonstrate those skills. I was required to demonstrate them, and many more, when sitting for an AB's Ticket, when that ticket required three years sea time in the deck department of an ocean going vessel - no exceptions, and which, in certain circumstances and tonnages, was sufficient to command an ocean vessel on an international voyage - but that was in the days before the USCG flooded the industry with the many small boat licenses now available and diluted the requirements for an AB Ticket.

Henry

--- On Mon, 3/9/09, Anabasis <jcaoy@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Anabasis <jcaoy@yahoo.com>
Subject: [NavList 7614] Re: Online Captain's License?
To: "NavList" <NavList@fer3.com>
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 10:19 PM

I have offered my knowledge to Frank on this matter off list, but
Henry's response has prompted me to reply here.  I have to say that I
disagree with Henry in many ways.  I have people working for me who
were once 2nd class and even chief petty officers and most do not have
anything close to the knowledge of most US Merchant Marine officers.
I can't claim that all of the officer's are top notch, but on average
there certainly is a skill level far beyond a mid-ranked enlisted
person in the USN.

By the way Henry, the USCG has recently greatly increased the amount
of training required for nearly all levels of license and while the
paper testing requirements have decreased, the demonstration of
assessments at the officer level have greatly increased, especially at
the unlimited, oceans level.  I cannot speak of the lower levels of
license besides to say that during my last testing session at the
USCG, the 100 ton master candidates were splicing and throwing knots
for the examiner on top of their regular exams.

B/Rgds,

Jeremy

On Mar 9, 10:08 pm, hch <h.halb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Frank,
>  
> A great deal would depend on what grade license your friend is talking
about. The USCG has infiltrated the marine industry with so many
"operators" licenses or certificates, which some folks inocently call
"Captain's" licenses that your friend's information may be
actually true at some level. I think I can assure you, however, that a
real top"anywhere/anything" license  would not be called a
Captain's License, but rather a Master's License and is not
available without examination - at least I sure hope so. Since I am long past
possible retribution, I can now openly state the opinion that the USCG has
endeavored to lower the stature of a US Merchant Marine Officer to that of a
2nd class  USCG Petty Officer - there, I said it, and I'm glad.
>  
> Henry
>  
> Henry
>
> --- On Mon, 3/9/09, frankr...@HistoricalAtlas.com
<frankr...@HistoricalAtlas.com> wrote:
>
> From: frankr...@HistoricalAtlas.com <frankr...@HistoricalAtlas.com>
> Subject: [NavList 7612] Online Captain's License?
> To: NavList@fer3.com
> Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 7:42 PM
>
> I'm asking this for a friend. Does anyone have any experience with
> MarinersSchool.com's online license programs? Is it true that you can
take
> this course online and not have to take the inconvenient sit-down tests to
get a
> legitimate USCG captain's license?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -FER

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