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Re: Photo sextant sights
From: Bill B
Date: 2008 Aug 09, 06:10 -0400
From: Bill B
Date: 2008 Aug 09, 06:10 -0400
George wrote, and provided an attachment > It will provide a target to be shot at by any keen proponent of the digital > camera for navigation at sea. George I am not a proponent or detractor of using a digital (or Polaroid) camera for navigation at sea, especially in a lifeboat situation. Processing film onboard a sailboat seems less than practical. GPS has rendered the futuristic sextant with digital readouts and imbedded hardware and software obsolete before beta testing (making the leap of faith that prototypes were created and tested). You point out many interesting and valid limitations, but after reviewing your MSW document I find important misconceptions IMHO (if I understand your arguments correctly) that I would question. You are indeed correct that *any* lens will introduce distortion in one form or another. In practical photographic terms, the wider the angle of view (relative to the film/sensor size) the greater the distortion near the edge of the image. (Western perspective is a matter of distance, not image size or lens.) Using a wide-angle lens, the circular top of a flower pot at the center of the frame rendered as a near-perfect ellipse will record differently than the same pot near the edge of the frame. I agree it would be imprudent to use the diameter of the sun or moon at any position in the image as a yardstick for calibrating the scale of an entire image. Ansel Adams (a famous US of A photographer) tucked the following tidbit in along with the main topic. He was speaking of an environmental portrait (of a male human) taken with a view camera. It is generally considered bad composition to center the subject in the frame. Ansel centered the subject and then shifted the camera back so the subject would not be centered, but was in the center of the lens's field of view therefore the head/face would not be distorted. (Note a view-camera lens has greater coverage than is need to fill the frame at dead center to allow for swings, tilts and shifts.) There are exceptions that minimize any distortion. The famed Hasseblad Superwide C with a 38mm lens for 6cm x 6 cm film for one. APO lenses are designed to photograph flat objects with near zero distortion. Somehow--as I read it--you confuse cartography with photography. Not like you. Reducing your argument to the absurd, it is impossible to take photographs of the heavens with a camera lens, a camera mounted to telescope, or plates mounted to an observatory telescope and accurately determine relationships or angles. You need to share this with the minds behind the biggest best telescope EVER (now under construction) which will, BTW, use a digital recording device.The above portion of your argument--as I understand it--falls apart IMHO given the following. Lens distortion a given, if we are dealing with the celestial sphere how does a sextant differ from a camera back? All a sextant does is measure the angle between two objects, an object and the horizon, the top and bottom of an object (say lighthouse) etc. Question. What is the software imbedded in the sextant that maps the celestial sphere to a plane? Answer. The NA. Added to the notion of the geocentric model used in cel nav, it must be noted that all the bodies (except for major moon corrections) are assumed to be infinitely far away. Scholarly individuals adjust for the fact that "it isn't so" (and many other nuances) and make adjustments to the NA and other data so all *we* have to deal with is the measured angle. While I am sure theoretical mathematicians can blow me out of the water, just how does one modify the infinite radius of the celestial sphere to move bodies towards or away from the observer? Point being, if all the stars are at infinity (or adjusted to appear so), it seems like a plane to me. Which gets me to the point of hanging onto the "celestial sphere" model when calibrating the camera lens/recording device. Why do we need to wrap the measuring tape inside a jig with an arc (in this case using the film plane or a node in the lens as distance to the tape as the radius)? I do agree with the notion that any problems with a lens focused at infinity may not be mirrored in an image with the focus set at several meters. The calibration needs to be done at infinity--and yes I did star to star distances with my sextant sitting right alongside Alex and his SNO-T. ;-) What can I say? I have the Russian space pen--a pencil. My PDA is a small spiral-bound notepad. My GPS is very basic and does not have hundreds of dollars of electronic charts in memory. I loath spending thousands of dollars a year on redundant graphic-design computer software upgrades and new machines to run bloatware that automates tasks I seldom use and learned how to do manually when needed--just to provide corporate-funded wet-behind-the-Pentel designers and production people with compatible file formats. That being said, I am willing to entertain new concepts, and give them a fair review. No sense throwing out the newborn baby with the bath water. Bill B. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Navigation List archive: www.fer3.com/arc To post, email NavList@fer3.com To , email NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---