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Re: Real accuracy of the method of lunar distances
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2004 Jan 14, 11:52 +0000
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2004 Jan 14, 11:52 +0000
Geoffrey Kolbe wrote- Assuming that the error in measuring a lunar >distance is invariant with time, (or depends only on instrument error, >rounding errors in the tables and so forth and does not depend >significantly on the position of the moon or the other celestial object in >the sky), the accuracy of the lunar distance method depends on the rate of >change of lunar distance between the moon and any given celestial object. > >This being the case, is there an identifiable acceleration (+ or -) in the >lunar distance as the moon rises in the East, passes the meridian and then >sets in the West? > >If there is, then we can say that there are possibly certain times when it >is best to take a lunar distance measurement (depending on just how big the >acceleration is). If not, then it does not matter. ============== Several listmembers are clearly struggling to understand the concepts involved in this question. Geoff has made a valiant attempt to simplify the situation, which I applaud. Unfortunately, it's a bit more complicated than that. You have to think of both the true lunar distance and the apparent lunar distance. Let's consider first the true lunar distance, in terms of the Moon's path through the background of stars, seen as if from the Earth's centre. Although we measure the lunar distance to one or more particular objects at any time, we can think of the Moon' continuous progress around the stars, moving 360 deg in a month, at a reasonably steady rate. Not that steady; it speeds up near perigee and vice versa, but for our purposes for this argument, we can think of it as steady, about 0.5 deg per hour. The true lunar distance, from which we will derive the GMT, does NOT suffer from any such daily acceleration as Geoff described. If we could measure that true lunar distance, there would be no problem. But we can't. Because we are riding round the Earth once per day, and because the Moon is so close, our view of the Moon changes against the background of stars. This is the effect which is called parallax. The stars are unaffected by this parallax because they are so distant. The Sun is affected, but only slightly. Our view of the Moon is affected very greatly by parallax, by about 1 degree when it's on the horizon. Because the Moon's parallax is so great, and varies through the day as the Moon's altitude changes, it adds a sort-of rocking-about motion to the position of the Moon with respect to the stars, as seen by a real observer on the Earth's surface. So what we see is a combination of the rather-steady motion of the Moon, but superimposed on it is that rocking motion. These add to gives rise to an apparent motion of the Moon against the stars, with its reasonably-steady 360 degrees per month, but superimposed on that a daily speeding-up and slowing-down, which can alter its apparent position by all of a degree. And this added daily motion alters the speed of the Moon (the Apparent Moon, the Moon as we see it, not the True Moon) very significantly. In the worst case, with the Moon passing overhead, it can roughly-speaking halve the apparent speed of the Moon. THIS is the daily (negative) acceleration that Geoff referred to And the trouble is, of course, that when you measure a lunar distance with a sextant, it's the Apparent position of the Moon you observe, not the True one. During a day there are times when it's moving particularly slowly against the stars, and other times when it isn't. And so the argument is this: is it better (more accurate) to avoid those times when the Apparent Moon is moving more slowly? Those times are when the Moon is highest in the sky. If you can answer that question, you have settled the argument. You can assume that the diffence between the true position and the apparent position of the Moon can always be calculated with sufficient accuracy: this happens as part of the "clearing" process of the observed lunar distance. Boiled down, it's the same question as you might ask of any observation of a steadily-changing quantity which is perturbed by the addition of a sinusoidal fluctuation which is precisely known. George. ================================================================ contact George Huxtable by email at george@huxtable.u-net.com, by phone at 01865 820222 (from outside UK, +44 1865 820222), or by mail at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK. ================================================================