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    Re: Reliable Index Correction to a Tenth Minute of Arc
    From: Brad Morris
    Date: 2010 Feb 18, 14:21 -0500

    Hi Bill

     

    At Lunch, I took the following 10 readings, first off, then on, then off, etc.  Vernier Type Sextant, 10x Scope;  Upper and Lower limbs of the Sun brought into contact.  Apparent SD for today, 18Feb2010, is 32 minutes 21.8 seconds (source: http://sob.nao-rozhen.org/content/apparent-solar-diameter-and-basic-heliographic-data-2010 )

    Reading

    Off

    Decimal⁰

    Reading

    On

    Decimal⁰

    1

    32

    20

    -0.53889

    2

    32

    40

    0.54444

    3

    33

    10

    -0.55278

    4

    32

    20

    0.53889

    5

    33

    0

    -0.55000

    6

    33

    10

    0.55278

    7

    32

    30

    -0.54167

    8

    32

    40

    0.54444

    9

    32

    20

    -0.53889

    10

    32

    40

    0.54444

    From these 10 readings we can readily create 9 index error measurements.  That is, we can group 1+2, 3+4, 5+6, 7+8 and 9+10.  Additionally, we can easily see our way to group 2+3, 4+5, 6+7 and 8+9, as any of these pairs would be a natural pairing in that the on/off arc reading follows each other.

     

    Here are the 9 index error measurements

     

    Group

    Decimal⁰

    degrees

    minutes

    seconds

    on/off

    1+2

    0.00556

    0

    0

    20

    on

    3+4

    -0.01389

    0

    0

    50

    off

    5+6

    0.00278

    0

    0

    10

    on

    7+8

    0.00278

    0

    0

    10

    on

    9+10

    0.00556

    0

    0

    20

    on

    2+3

    -0.00833

    0

    0

    30

    off

    4+5

    -0.01111

    0

    0

    40

    off

    6+7

    0.01111

    0

    0

    40

    on

    8+9

    0.00556

    0

    0

    20

    on

     

     

    The average of these 9 index error measurements is 0 arc seconds, with a standard deviation of 31.6 arc seconds. 

     

    Extending the group/pair concept, we can permute every On the Arc against every Off the Arc reading.  That is, I can pair 1 with 2,4,6,8 and 10.  Next pair 3 with 2,4,6,8 and 10. Etc, yielding 25 IE measurements.  In this case the average of all permutations is 2 arc seconds, with a standard deviation of 26.9 arc seconds.

     

    The IE equal to zero outcome is a function of properly setting up the sextant in the first place.  The sextant was carefully set to read zero when the index mirror angle is zero.  Of course, I did not get 1/10 minute (6 seconds) every time.  That wasn’t possible as the smallest division on my vernier is 10 seconds.  Nor did I get 10 seconds every time (although clearly sometimes). 

     

    For this reason, I don’t bother to check my IE before and after a round of sights.  Firstly, I find this same result every time I make a serious attempt to measure the IE.  Secondly, I treat my sextant with kid gloves (in a gentle fashion for those not familiar with American slang).  Essentially, as Frank has noted in his high magnification IE trick, the IE is stable for metal sextants.  I have found the same thing and count on it.

     

    No need to warm up the congratulation machine Bill.  However, I would claim a very small IE for my sextant, certainly less than 6 seconds!

     

    Best Regards

    Brad

     

    Bill, you wrote:

    if they can get the same result within a tenth of a minute each time, I will be among the first to congratulate their instrument.

    Kind regards

    Bill Morris
    Pukenui
    New Zealand

     


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