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    Re: Sextant aboard the ISS
    From: Paul Dolkas
    Date: 2018 Dec 12, 05:29 +0000

    Brad-


    I think the whole point is to see how accurately they can use a hand held sextant in a zero-G environment. So measure something where you already know the answer to see how close you get.


    I've been trying to find some contact info for the two principal investigators who came up with the experiment, because it kinda doesn't make a lot of sense to me either.  They developed a nifty hand-held space sextant during the Gemini program, and flew it on Gemini 10.  Buzz Aldrin used one during Gemini 12 when the on-board radar failed. They did additional flight experiments during Skylab. I'm sure the designs for this equipment still exist, if not the actual hardware. So one would think doing these experiments with an Astra is a bit redundant. The only thing I can think of is maybe they want to evaluate how well an off-the-shelf unit works, so if they ever want to include a sextant on future flights they can just go out and buy one, rather than spend orders-of-magnitude more money for a custom built unit.


    -Paul


    From: NavList@fer3.com <NavList@fer3.com> on behalf of Brad Morris <NoReply_Morris@fer3.com>
    Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 8:01:15 PM
    To: Paul Dolkas
    Subject: [NavList] Re: Sextant aboard the ISS
     
    Frank

    I'm struggling with the statement that they are observing pairs of stars.  Not you, of course, just the utility of the observation.

    There is little navigational value in the observation.  The main value is in calibrating the arc and in the absence of refraction, the distance measured should be true (with an asterisk for the windows). That's a win compared to the same measurement from the surface of the Earth. 

    So is this just an exercise to see if they can take an observation with a known value?

    Brad



    On Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 9:10 PM Frank Reed <NoReply_FrankReed@fer3.com wrote:

    I was reminded after observing the ISS tonight that there are some interesting details in a photo that NASA published a few months ago. It shows ESA astronaut Alexander Gerst trying out the Celestaire Astra II (Is it really a "II"?) sextant. If we zoom in on the micrometer, it's currently reading 34.0'. But checking the main scale, that's below 0° so it's actually reading 26.0' off the arc. Did someone forget to zero out the index error? Was Gerst not trained in this task?? Or maybe he's just posing for the camera?

    In the procedures, we see some pointlessly detailed and choreographed instructions for observing pairs of stars. These stars are quite close together, and therefore the angles are relatively easy to measure with a sextant. There are some odd details in the list. There's only a "th" visible for one star, but that's clearly Alioth in Ursa Major (in the handle of the Big Dipper). We also see Alkaid (at the end of the handle). But the oddity is "zetUMa". It's no crime to call it zetUMa, short for zeta Ursa Majoris, but that's Mizar! Of the three stars here, that name is more widely known than Alioth or Alkaid. Why do that? Why would anyone choose "zetUMa" over "Mizar"?? Well, no matter -- it's just a star name.

    Next, have a look at the rough coordinates for the stars. I checked a couple of the declinations, and they're truncated rather than rounded. That's odd. It doesn't do any harm in this context, but there's no valid reason to truncate. You can also easily double-check the star-to-star angular distances. They're showing 6°40.5' for the Alkaid-Mizar distance (with tenths of a minute oddly placed in a separate box). But why give the angle at all? If the point of this experiment is to test whether angles can be measured reliably by an astronaut in the ISS Cupola (a uniquely forgiving vantage point!), then why provide the answers!? This guarantees biased results. 

    I maintain that this is NASA "busy work". It looks good on camera, and it's easy to explain to the folks in Congress. The navigation value of this is near zero.

    Frank Reed
    Clockwork Mapping / ReedNavigation.com / HistoricalAtlas.com
    Conanicut Island USA

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