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    Re: Telescope danger to sight. Was: Venus transit ...
    From: Richard B. Langley
    Date: 2004 May 13, 12:15 -0300

    As written by an astronomer and a professor of optometry:
    
    
    
    -- Richard Langley
    
    On Wed, 12 May 2004, George Huxtable wrote:
    
    >Recent discussions about danger to sight in looking at the Sun through the
    >telescope of a sextant have got me pondering about the physics and optics
    >involved. I have concluded that through a telescope the danger of a
    >retina-burn is no greater (and may indeed be much less) than when looking
    >at the Sun through a naked eye. This has surprised me, somewhat. Let me try
    >my arguments out and see if someone can find a snag and disprove what I
    >say.
    >
    >NOT, please be aware, that I am suggesting you should look directly at the
    >Sun, either naked-eye or through a telescope. Avoid both!
    >
    >The Sun subtends an angle of (damn near) half a degree. Looked at directly,
    >this gives rise to an image half a degree wide at the retina. If the focal
    >length of the eye is 15mm (a typical value, I understand) then the Sun's
    >direct image on the retina is about 1 mm diameter. We know that the Sun's
    >energy (light and heat) which passes through the iris, if focussed on that
    >1mm spot, can be  immensely damaging. That's what gives rise to retina
    >burns, which literally ARE burns, and can't be cured. Many old navigators
    >had such burns in their "sextant eye", and blindness would often ensue. The
    >worst instrument for causing eye damage was the cross-staff, until someone
    >had the idea to attach a bit of smoked glass to the upper end of the
    >cross-piece.
    >
    >What would happen if you looked at the Sun through, say, a x3 telescope?
    >Well, the unescapable facts of life about optical instruments tell us this-
    >That for the telescope to put light into the pupil of the eye, opened to a
    >certain diameter (say 5mm) it can collect that light only from an area of
    >the objective which is that same diameter, multiplied by the magnification.
    >So that's an objective of 15mm diameter, in this case, or 9x the area of
    >the pupil of the eye. If the objective is bigger than that, any extra light
    >it collects will miss the entry pupil, being excluded by the iris. The
    >result is that at most 9x as much light (and heat) than before is passing
    >through the pupil (though we must allow for some losses of light and heat
    >in passage through the telescope's optics).
    >
    >And what happens to that light? Well, it's divergence (the angular size of
    >the Sun's image) has been increased by the x3 magnification, to 1.5
    >degrees. Now it paints a disc-image on the retina which is 3x the size it
    >was before, so now there's a 3mm diameter image of the Sun on the retina.
    >This is a 9x greater area than the naked-eye image of the Sun was, over
    >which that 9x increased amount of light is now spread. So its intensity, in
    >terms of light-and-heat energy that falls on each square millimetre, is no
    >greater than it was with the naked eye, and less if we allow for energy
    >losses in passage through the lenses.
    >
    >I think it may be true that most such retina damage is caused by heat
    >rather than by light, which is why they tell us that a nearly-black frame
    >of silver in black-and-white film is effective, whereas the same darkness
    >of colour film, created by dyes, does little to reduce the infra-red. I
    >wonder whether glass lenses in a telescope are more effective than plastic
    >ones in reducing the heat content of sunlight.
    >
    >The conclusion, that a magnified telescope Sun image on the retina is no
    >more intense than a naked-eye Sun image, seems to contradict all my
    >axperience of a burning-glass, with which, as a small boy, I used to be
    >such a menace on a sunny day. I explain the distinction to myself like
    >this. There's no doubt that with a single lens sunlight can be concentrated
    >into a small spot. For example, with the telescope example above, the light
    >intensity falling on and around the pupil will be 9x increased above the
    >naked-eye case. And so, if the eye surface or the iris itself are easily
    >burned by high intensity, that risk will be greatly increased when looking
    >through a telescope. However, the intensity of the light that gets through
    >the pupil to the retina itself, will not be increased.
    >
    >If that's true, it should not induce any feeling of complacency when
    >observing the Sun through a telescope. Although it implies that a burn-spot
    >won't appear more quickly than with the naked eye, it also implies that any
    >such burn-spot will be correspondingly bigger. The lesson is, then, that
    >you could fry your whole retina in the same time that it would otherwise
    >take to fry a small spot!
    >
    >The analysis above is presented rather tentatively. Optics isn't my
    >subject; but to me the conclusions seem inescapable. I would welcome
    >support or dissent from anyone.
    >
    >George.
    >
    >
    >================================================================
    >contact George Huxtable by email at george@huxtable.u-net.com, by phone at
    >01865 820222 (from outside UK, +44 1865 820222), or by mail at 1 Sandy
    >Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK.
    >================================================================
    >
    
    
    ===============================================================================
     Richard B. Langley                            E-mail: lang@unb.ca
     Geodetic Research Laboratory                  Web: http://www.unb.ca/GGE/
     Dept. of Geodesy and Geomatics Engineering    Phone:    +1 506 453-5142
     University of New Brunswick                   Fax:      +1 506 453-4943
     Fredericton, N.B., Canada  E3B 5A3
         Fredericton?  Where's that?  See: http://www.city.fredericton.nb.ca/
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