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Re: Beginner with inaccurate results
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2005 Aug 31, 09:54 +0100
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2005 Aug 31, 09:54 +0100
Thanks to Ken Muldrew for putting right my misunderstanding about the Davis artificial horizon; that it is in fact a liquid horizon rather than one using a spirit-levelled glass.. This means that all I said about the use of the art. horizon was irrelevant and can and should be ignored. A discrepancy of 5 arc-minutes, or 5 miles, is a serious matter that should have a discernable cause. Getting on-land Sun altitudes by reflection in a liquid is a rather precise technique; better than measuring altitudes at sea. Could it be a refraction error in the glass cloche above the liquid reflector, due to imperfections in the glass plates, not being plane-parallel? Test for this is by measuring with the cloche (or the whole device) reversed through 180 degrees, which should reverse any discrepancy. But I would be surprised to find such large errors in the cloche. Otherwise, we need to ask some silly questions. One that comes to mind is the GPS position that was quoted. Was this taken from (roughly) the same position from which the observation was made, or could it have been from a few miles away? Was it displayed to a WGS84 datum, or had it perhaps been converted to a local Norwegian mapping datum? Not that I would ever expect such datums to differ by a matter of several miles! Asbjorn reises the question of refraction in his shades. That is indeed a weakness of some plastic sextants, but 5' error is far more than I would expect. Can he avoid changing shades between ascertaining index error and observing with the art.horizon, perhaps by choosing a clear-glass cloche rather than a coloured one? Asbjorn poses an intriguing problem, to me and to others, and it would be good to get to the bottom of it. George. At 23:33 30/08/2005, you wrote: >On 30 Aug 2005 at 22:59, George Huxtable wrote: > > > My suspicion falls on the glass artificial horizon, and the spirit level > > that was used to set it horizontal. > >Asbjorn is apparently using a Davis artificial horizon which is a tray for >liquid with a cloche that can be covered with dark or clear glass, so I >don't think that is the source of his mysterious (but apparently >systematic) error. Hopefully Asbjorn will correct me if I'm mistaken about >this. > > > At 11:24 30/08/2005, Asbjorn wrote > > > >I use a Davis artificial horizon with colored glass. > >Ken Muldrew. =============================================================== Contact George at george@huxtable.u-net.com ,or by phone +44 1865 820222, or from within UK 01865 820222. Or by post- George Huxtable, 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK.