Welcome to the NavList Message Boards.

NavList:

A Community Devoted to the Preservation and Practice of Celestial Navigation and Other Methods of Traditional Wayfinding

Compose Your Message

Message:αβγ
Message:abc
Add Images & Files
    Name or NavList Code:
    Email:
       
    Reply
    Re: Agnostic gnomon and horary error
    From: Robin Stuart
    Date: 2024 Jun 3, 07:13 -0700

    Chuck V.

    Thank you for providing the scan of the photo. Unfortunately I don't think the method you propose will work in practice. If the photo had been taken from the north or south then you could still draw your blue tick but your yellow and white ticks would coincide. The method you suggest would be fine if the photo had been taken from the east or west and in the horizon plane of the armillary sphere (but then you could measure the angle of the gnomon directly). If you start at the east and  walk and around the armillary sphere the apparent angle of the gnomon will increase until it appears vertical from the north or south. The photo appears to have been taken just north of east.

    There is, I think, a more precise approach that could be possible. In the photo we see lots of ellipses. These are obviously oblique views well-defined circles, the horizon, the equator, E-Z-W etc. By measuring the ratio of the major and minor axes it is possible to determine angle that the photographer is viewing them from and get an estimate on of the photographer's position. From that the apparent angle of the gnomon could be calculated. This will take some careful measurements ad 3D vector analysis if anyone is game.

    There are some sources of error however. The photo is taken fairly close to the armillary sphere and perspective will play a role. Also a photograph with a good camera is a gnomonic projection (how fitting!) of the subject,

    Robin Stuart

       
    Reply
    Browse Files

    Drop Files

    NavList

    What is NavList?

    NavList is a community devoted to the preservation and practice of celestial navigation and other methods of traditional position-finding. We're a group of navigators, navigation enthusiasts and hobbyists, mathematicians and physicists, and historians interested in all aspects of navigation but primarily those techniques which are non-electronic.

    To post a message, if you are already signed up as a NavList member, start a new discussion or reply to any posted message and use your posting code (this is a simple low-security password assigned when you join). You may also join by posting. Your first on-topic messsage automatically makes you a member, and a posting code will be assigned and emailed to you for future posts.

    Uniquely, the NavList message boards also permit full interaction entirely by email. You can optionally receive individual posts or daily digests by email, and any member can post messages by email (bypassing the web site) by sending to our posting address which is "NavList@NavList.net". This functionality is similar to a traditional Internet mailing list: post by email, read by email, reply by email. Most members will prefer the web interface here for posting and replying to messages.

    NavList is more than an online community... more about that another day.

    © Copyright notice: please note that the rights to all messages and posts in this discussion group are held by their respective authors. No messages or text or images extracted from messages may be reproduced without the explicit consent of the message author. Email me, Frank Reed, if you have any questions.

    Join / Get NavList ID Code

    Name:
    (please, no nicknames or handles)
    Email:
    Do you want to receive all group messages by email?
    Yes No

    A NavList ID Code guarantees your identity in NavList posts and allows faster posting of messages.

    Retrieve a NavList ID Code

    Enter the email address associated with your NavList messages. Your NavList code will be emailed to you immediately.
    Email:

    Email Settings

    NavList ID Code:

    Custom Index

    Subject:
    Author:
    Start date: (yyyymm dd)
    End date: (yyyymm dd)

    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site