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    Re: Amelia Earhart
    From: Jacob M. Huffman III
    Date: 2022 Feb 27, 21:45 -0600
    Howard, as a former USAF nav in B-52s I read your thoughts and found a lot of points that sounded both comfortable and familiar.  Especially the comments about the standard 3 star fix.  I think I was pretty good at cel nav in my AF time, and I avoided two star fixes altogether,  In fact, I sometimes added a fourth LOP, usually from Polaris (dirt simple to precompute or post compute) to increase my level of confidence in my fix.  Day or night I always had a DR position, and sometimes resorted to an MPP even at night based on the infamous 'nav judgment".  Daytime, of course, was almost always an MPP based on comparing my DR to my sun line.  I usually asked the pilot to hand fly during cel shots just as you mentioned and for the reasons you mentioned.  By the way, I found pressure pattern nav to be quite accurate overwater, and especially useful anytime three body fixes were not available.  I doubt Earhart and Noonan had the equipment necessary for pressure pattern nav, though. 
    Calculating and evaluating wind speed and direction were central to what we did in the nav compartment in my time, as the on board DR equipment (ASQ-38 in B-52Gs in the 1970s and 80s) sometimes ran away or got messed up by a bad radar fix. 
    Anyway, thanks for the trip back in time.  I suppose we will never know on this earth what really happened to Earhart and Noonan.

    On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 7:31 PM Howard G <NoReply_HowardG@fer3.com> wrote:

    Hi Hewitt

    A reasonable assumption but that is what a navigator is for - i.e. aeronautical.

    In 1937 meteorological forecasting was primitive to nil - often relying on information gathered by aircraft on routes throughout the world - and weather information gathered using balloons sent aloft sending back information - in 1937 I am not sure even they had those.

    In the air force in the 70s - 90s meteorological information from satellites was only just becoming a reality - certainly in 1937 through WWII and beyond - The Navigator used forecast inofrmation to essentially work out an expected time of flight and hence fuel load - which Fred did.

    From then on - the navigator (unless he is DR all the way) - which they were not - can calculate groundspeed between 2 fixes - and work out a wind direction and speed - that is what we do ALL the time - we then use this to update our DR plot which runs parallel to your fixing whether (visual) - which they had early on then celestial fixes.

    Fred would have known early on that the wind was greater than he had planned for - and as he was flying at night he would have known this all the way along.

    They were at 10k feet - they crossed islands (these were further out)  further on - though difficult to identify  which, but certainly enough to give you a psoition line at right angles to your course and an accurate groudspeed - and even without perhaps a drift reading which is possible at night on crashing surf on islands - but even without - a wind speed and direction would have been known quite accurately.

    As military navigators on long range maritime patrols - weather forecasts were often used just to get you started - and it most cases we found them no more that just basic starting information. Often we flew were there was no met info and had to guess - that is what navigators get skilled at - navigation, celestial, meteorology etc.

    Fred would undoubtedly be skilled at meteorology.

    Howard G

       
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