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    Re: Anomalous dip. was: [NAV-L] Testing pocket sextant.
    From: Marcel Tschudin
    Date: 2006 Jun 17, 02:20 +0300


    On 6/17/06, Bill <billyrem42@earthlink.net> wrote:
    Now that I have the basic concept, what happens on a larger scale?  We could
    use Frank's beach shots as an example (Indiana to Chicago, approx. 22 nm).
    Assume a thermal inversion as Frank stated.  What will that do to the
    horizon relative to a horizon with well-mixed air (shift it up or down) and
    what will it do to building tops around 1100-1500 feet above water level
    (raise or lower them)?

    The problem I was having using the current Bowditch Table 15 formula was
    that the distance kept falling short, meaning if the T15 constants are
    correct, the angle measured was too large.  Therefore if the horizon was
    shifted up, the building tops must have been shifted up to a greater extent.

    I understand the problem as stated may be too complex for a simple answer,
    but try a if-then.

    I also strongly suspect another problem area is the Bowditch constants.
     
    Just an example of what a strong inversion (sea is cold air is increasing warmer) may cause.
     
    Lets assume an observer
    at 10m above sea, at his place the temperature is 10°C and the pressure 1010 mb.
     
    Lets assume a simplified standard atmosphere
    where the temperature decreases by 6.5°C per 1 km height, this up to the top of the troposphere at about 11 km height and having constant temperature further up.
     
    For this observer the dip of the horizon is as calculated with the Bowditch formula, i.e.  5.6 arc min.
     
    Lets assume now an inversion layer
    in the lowest 50m of the standard atmosphere (as described above) with a temperature increase of 6°C over 50m height (+0.12°C/m).
     
    For the above observer the dip would now be reduced, it would be now only 0.92 arc min.
     
    May be someone else can confirm this. How about you, Frank?
     
    Marcel
     
       
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