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Re: Correlation between age, gender, nobleness, and leadership ability (was On incompetence and women)
From: J Cora
Date: 2006 Jul 20, 21:31 -0500
I believe that I started the thread regarding gipsy moth iv by
asking about the incident on this list as to whether anyone could shed some light on how it might have occurred. My questions were reasonable and the shipwreck occurred some time ago but after searching I was unable to find any actual details about the accident.
Responses to my question as to why the vessel was even in the area of the tuamotuas were answered to my satisfaction. Although I dont know if the vessel had gps onboard, it seems likely so the obvious question arises as to whether the boat struck a charted or uncharted reef. If charted, considering that there was a crew of six onboard, some questions are warranted. As these new satellite beacons are deployed we may soon have the capability of seeing the location of all shipwrecks as they happen in real time.
There is an annual publication called Accidents in North American Mountaineering which seeks to explain the causes of mountaineering accidents and possible ways to avoid similar in the future. I believe the same thing for small boat sailors would be valuable but to be possible full disclosure would be necessary. I can only speculate that insurance and liability might be factors making it unlikely.
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From: J Cora
Date: 2006 Jul 20, 21:31 -0500
I believe that I started the thread regarding gipsy moth iv by
asking about the incident on this list as to whether anyone could shed some light on how it might have occurred. My questions were reasonable and the shipwreck occurred some time ago but after searching I was unable to find any actual details about the accident.
Responses to my question as to why the vessel was even in the area of the tuamotuas were answered to my satisfaction. Although I dont know if the vessel had gps onboard, it seems likely so the obvious question arises as to whether the boat struck a charted or uncharted reef. If charted, considering that there was a crew of six onboard, some questions are warranted. As these new satellite beacons are deployed we may soon have the capability of seeing the location of all shipwrecks as they happen in real time.
There is an annual publication called Accidents in North American Mountaineering which seeks to explain the causes of mountaineering accidents and possible ways to avoid similar in the future. I believe the same thing for small boat sailors would be valuable but to be possible full disclosure would be necessary. I can only speculate that insurance and liability might be factors making it unlikely.
On 7/20/06, 539dkp802@sneakemail.com <539dkp802@sneakemail.com
> wrote:
I generally find George Huxtable's contributions to this list
well-thought-out and logical. As I have been busy with other things, I
might have missed his recent posting on the subject of the Gipsy Moth IV,
had I this unusual and inflammatory subject line not surprised me.
We do not have enough information about this particular grounding to know
whether the youth, gender, asserted membership in the British peerage, or
even lack of gray hair of either the skipper or the first mate on duty at
the time of the grounding had anything in particular to do with the
grounding.
I do know that Mr. Huxtable is well acquainted with the scientific method,
and generally backs up his assertions with relevant facts and well-reasoned
arguments. In this case, a statistical study of correlation between factors
such as grizzle-ness, age, gender and nobleness of the captain and/or first
mate and outcomes of voyages in various types of vessels would be in order.
It would be illogical, and quite out of character, for him to form such a
strongly-held opinion without some such evidence to back it up.
As Lu Abel and Peter Fogg have quite correctly pointed out, it is possible
for skippers of either gender to make mistakes, and for skippers of either
gender to perform in a commendable manner. Mere anecdotes, of course,
cannot either prove or disprove the assertion that 30-something female
members of the British peerage are generally unsuited to the command of a
sailing vessel, no matter how much relevant experience they may possess.
I myself would recommend that, from this point forward, we refrain from
offering any more of these illustrative anecdotes and await the publication
of the statistical evidence. Otherwise, the discussion will shed more heat
than light on the subject.
Cheers,
Renee
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