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Ecliptic coordinate system (was equinoxes)
From: Jim Thompson
Date: 2004 Mar 25, 21:43 -0400
From: Jim Thompson
Date: 2004 Mar 25, 21:43 -0400
To understand "equinox" I needed to dig deeper into the ecliptic coordinate system, which so far I had largely been ignoring. I ended up with this: http://www.jimthompson.net/boating/CelestialNav/CelestNotes/Coordinates.htm# Ecliptic Jim Thompson --------------- Herbert Prinz wrote in 2002: "The astronomical definition of equinox is "The instant at which the apparent longitude of the Sun is 0o (or 180o)". This may or may not be the moment at which the declination of the Sun is 0o. The reason being that the latitude of the sun need not be 0 (this year it will be 0.06" at time of equinox) and that the Earth is wobbling around a little." "Celestial (or ecliptic) longitude and latitude are spherical co-ordinates that are referenced to the plane of the ecliptic (i.e. the plane of the Earth's orbit around the Sun). This plane intersects the equatorial plane in a line that points towards the "equinox", also called "First point of Aries". By definition, this point has ecliptic longitude 0 and latitude 0. It also has RA 0 (or SHA 0) and Dec 0. Both planes are inclined to each other by ca. 23 1/2 deg." -------------------- George Huxtable wrote in 2002: "Searchers after the exact moment of Autumn equinox appear to be looking for the moment when the declination of the Sun is exactly zero, passing from North to South, and also the Right Ascension of the Sun is exactly 12 hours or 180 degrees. In this, they are almost certain to be disappointed. Those two events are unlikely to occur at exactly the same moment." "If the Sun was always exactly on the plane of the ecliptic, then they would: but in general that is not exactly the case. Because the earth is perturbed slightly in its path around the Sun by the attractions of the Moon and other planets, the Sun's latitude (its displacement out of the plane of the ecliptic) is not always exactly zero, but can vary up to 1.2 seconds of arc." "Note that the effect referred to above is an actual physical shift of the Earth out of the plane of its orbit round the Sun, by up to 5,000-odd miles, not a shift of the Earth's polar axis such as precession and nutation cause." "The moment of autumn Equinox is defined by the Sun's apparent geocentic longitude (and consequently its Right Ascension also) being 180 degrees, and NOT by its declination passing through zero. A change in Sun ecliptic latitude of 1 second of arc would, I think, alter the declination of the Sun by a similar amount. The Sun's declination around the equinox is changing at very nearly 24 minutes a day. (I like to remember this by thinking of the maximum rate of travel of the Sun's geographical position, North or South, as almost exactly 1 knot)." "So a shift in the Sun's position from the ecliptic of 1.2 seconds of arc would change the moment of zero-crossing of declination from the moment of the equinox by about 72 seconds of time." "I have not tried to estimate what the ecliptic latitude of the Sun would be at the 2002 autumn equinox, but for anyone that wishes to, Meeus in chapters 27 and 25 provides all the necessary information." "I have no wish to sail under false colours, and pose as an authority on such matters. All that I have said here has been taken from Meeus' excellent work "Astronomical Algorithms", of which I claim only a partial understanding. So the conclusions above are somewhat tentative, and stand to be corrected by anyone who knows more than I do." Jim Thompson jim2@jimthompson.net www.jimthompson.net Outgoing mail scanned by Norton Antivirus -----------------------------------------