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Re: How close without a good Lunar?
From: Peter Monta
Date: 2018 Jul 25, 02:58 -0400
The Sun could be a source. It moves against the fixed stars at one rev per year, so it's a factor of 12 or so worse than the moon for accuracy. There's also the dynamic range problem of measuring the Sun against the stars---since it is so bright, you need some sort of intermediary like a bright planet or the Moon (the positions of which need not be known as accurately), or perhaps a hack watch could help out with using twilight as a bridge if no intermediary is available and you're desperate enough to want to use the horizon with its large refraction uncertainty. But using "solar distances", and doing a "solar", is in principle the same as a lunar. The Sun's orbit is simpler to model accurately, too---no lunar ephemeris nightmare. But since the accuracy is so poor, you don't want to use the Sun unless you have no lunar ephemeris.
From: Peter Monta
Date: 2018 Jul 25, 02:58 -0400
There is no way to get acccurate time back without seeing the moon, taking a sight from a known position or seeing an eclipse of one on Jupiter's moons.
Planets like Venus or Mars could occasionally be a little better than the Sun if they make a close approach.
Cheers,
Peter