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Re: Latitude by Lunar Distance
From: Frank Reed CT
Date: 2006 Oct 05, 20:01 -0700
From: Frank Reed CT
Date: 2006 Oct 05, 20:01 -0700
Alex E, you wrote: "To estimate the accuracy, notice that the ratio of the distance to the Moon to the Earth radius is 60 (very roughly). So the loss of precision due to the method is by the factor of 60 under the most favorable conditions." It's 60 compared to observations made relative to a perfect terrestrial horizon. Since a sea horizon has a typical inaccuracy of 0.5-1.0 minutes of arc from variable refraction, this method is only 6-12 times less accurate than traditional celestial lines of position. It's just a question of whether that's interesting or not (I won't suggest the word "practical" in this discussion). Is there ever a case where it might be interesting to get your position by celestial navigation to +/- 6 nautical miles when the horizon is not visible? To me, yes. To the next guy in line, maybe not. And you wrote: "These most favorable conditions are: a) The Moon is near zenith, and b) The two directions Moon-star are perpendicular." Yes, it's important for the Moon to be "well up" in the sky. If it's not, the cones of position intersect the Earth at an oblique angle. The more perpendicular, the better. And of course, with anything "lunarian", it has to be that part of the month when the Moon is easily observed. Just so we're clear, unless I'm missing something, your point "b" is nothing more than the usual condition for lines of position: you get better results when the lines of position have a significant angle between them. This is not a difficult condition if it's the middle of the night. You've got all the bright stars in the sky and hours available for taking sights -- no worries about the duration of twilight. "Now it is hard for me to believe that one can measure distances with 0.1 or even 0.2 accuracy permanently and reliably" Sure you can! :-) I have seen amateurs get 0.1 minute accuracy in lunars on the very first try. It's about the sextant more than anything else. Myself, I find a typical error of 0.2 minutes of arc, and if I shoot four and average them, that yields 0.1 minutes of arc accuracy, again and again. Of course, every once in a while my eyes will water or my hands will shake, and then it's as much as ten times worse. "I still have no definite opinion on this matter, but my analysis of observations of Cook's expedition seems to indicate much lower accuracy than 0.2' And this was done from the ground, by professional astronomers, possibly with the best sextants ever made (?)" It sure doesn't take a professional astronomer to use a sextant, though in Cook's day I do agree that it helped! Of course, in Cook's era the lunar distances in the Nautical Almanac had large intrinsic errors, so even perfect observations could yield longitudes that were in error by 30 minutes of arc. Anyway, my previous example was based on hypothetical observations (the date of observation being five days in the future might have clued you in on that). Now that I have "discovered" this method or position fixing, I'm gonna have to try some real observations. I'll see if I can determine the location of Chicago from a downtown street corner without any possibility of seeing a horizon (within +/- 6 miles, that is). -FER 42.0N 87.7W, or 41.4N 72.1W. www.HistoricalAtlas.com/lunars --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to NavList@fer3.com To , send email to NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---