NavList:

"1. I still don't understand whether
we are  going to lose our Nav-L
archives on the web?
I think this will be a major  disaster."

I'll be somewhat brief here. The present archive for the list  is maintained
by "some guy". It is not an official archive. Neither the list  "owner" nor
any of the active list participants have any control over this  archive. It can
be deleted on a moment's notice if the guy who runs it decides  he doesn't
want to bother with it anymore (or if his computer dies). I'm not  saying that
there is any likelihood that this will happen --merely pointing out  that it is
completely out of our control. The present list archive on i-DEADLINK-com  that
you're talking about is merely an e-mail address subscribed to the list by  the
owner of that site because it interests him. A service on his computer takes 
each e-mail, strips out anything formatted like an e-mail address from the 
messages (nice feature), and dumps it into his archives. It's very convenient, 
and I think it's nice that he has this set up. If we ask him, maybe he'll 
subscribe an e-mail address to NavList, too. But if he gets d, the  list
archive will automatically stop [this happened in March. ten days of 
messages to Nav-L are gone from those archives]. Perhaps it would be best if we  set
up an acrhive WE can control. Dan Allen has maintained an EXTENSIVE personal 
archive which we can easily combine into one grand archive that flows
seamlessly  to the present.
By the way, "major disaster"?? Let's not take ourselves too  seriously here.
:-)

You also wrote:
"2. As I understand the only  reason why we
are forced to move is that nobody wants
to maintain the old  list, as a moderator.
(I cannot do this for only one reason: I don't know  how.
I am not in good relations with computers in general).
But I am  really VERY SORRY for what is happening."

Alex, I have answered a number  of messages from you on this topic, and you
have never replied. It is almost as  if you have never received those messages.
Hey, wait a minute! Maybe that's it.  :-) Alex, are you aware by now that the
present server for Nav-L is dumping  messages? That is, messages sent to the
list address are NOT distributing fully  to the list. I can point to two in
the past thirty days, and there are  undoubtedly more. The most obvious was
titled "Compute Suns position". It's not  in the archives. Other people never
received it in their inboxes. THIS IS VERY  POOR BEHAVIOR for a listserv.
Additionally, the listserv has crashed --dead,  totally unresponsive-- twice in the
past six months. THIS IS ALSO VERY POOR  BEHAVIOR for a listserv. And just
before it crashes, the list has regurgitated a  bunch of months-old messages (I've
called them "echo posts"). You yourself were  placed in the fairly ludicrous
position in early April of responding to a  message, asking for resources on
lunars, which had been sent to the list in  December of last year (but was
distirbuted by the malfunctioning listserv in  April). All of these are excellent
reasons to move the list to a new server.  Normal Internet mailing lists do not
have these screwy problems!

As for  Dan Hogan, I do not and will not try to speak for him. But I do
believe that  many list members imagine that he has powers as list "owner" that he
does not  have. It is mostly work with very little power. He has said that
he's tired of  the work. A list "owner" owns nothing. A list owner has no "magic
wand" capable  of controlling discussions (on unmoderated lists). It's just a
job, and you can  thank Dan H for doing it, but if he is unable to resolve the
technical problems  (and that does appear to be the case), then what else
would you  do?

Finally, you said that you are "VERY SORRY for what is happening"  --which I
find quite remarkable. I will say one thing here in closing that I  hope will
help you. A "list" like this one is a GROUP OF PEOPLE. It is not a  server on
a machine. You are communicating with the same group of people as  before. You
are currently the second most prolific poster on NavList. And of  course you
are --the topics interest you, the people are familiar, so you reply.  THAT is
the list --this group of people talking about navigation. So what do you 
have to be sorry about? You're chatting about a topic you enjoy with the same 
group of people whom you have come to know. The only real difference is that you
send your messages to a different e-mail address. I can understand loyalty,
even  irrational loyalty, when it is directed towards a human being. But who
in the  world feels loyalty to an e-mail address?! Honestly, will you miss the
name  'webkahuna' in your messages? We're talking about MIGRATING a list
(list=group  of people) from one server to another. What's there to be sorry about?
It's a  tough process when it has to be done, but we've done it. The list has
migrated  successfully. So relax and enjoy yourself! :-) Talk about
navigation...  :-)

-FER
42.0N 87.7W, or 41.4N  72.1W.
www.HistoricalAtlas.com/lunars 


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