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    Re: Longitude by Time Sight...good enough at sea?
    From: Hewitt Schlereth
    Date: 2012 Dec 19, 22:07 -0800
    BTW and FWIW, I used Weems' Pre Comp formula for Hc with Greg's data for the 2 time-sights he shared with us and I came up with intercepts of 1' and 2'. With Weems' 9-page table, arriving at Hc took 4 openings and 3 arithmetic steps of two lines each. The 9-page table in The Secant Time Sight gives you time sight AND a short way to an LOP.

    One thing that hasn't been mentioned lately is how much time you may, or may not, have to do position-finding during an offshore trip. 

    If you're navigator on a fully crewed racer, you can do a lot and will have time to do it. Others will handle the sails, steer, cook, rotate watches in regular sequence. If you are making a passage with a few friends or on a delivery, you will probably have to stand a watch, help out in the galley, steer, reef in a blow ... You get the idea. 

    Anyway, time gets eaten up. You get weary, and there comes a time when your bunk beckons and facing 40-minutes on deck for a noon sight just makes you quail.

    Hewitt

    Sent from my iPad

    On Dec 19, 2012, at 8:19 PM, "Frank Reed" <FrankReed@HistoricalAtlas.com> wrote:

    Doug,

    I like your list 1 through 5.

    You added:
    "For Longitude: time sights. This will be when far from land.
    Near landfall, traditional LOP's for a fix. "

    Some of the posts I've read in this topic seem to imply that folks believe that the time sight is still in some way inferior to a "traditional" LOP. It's not. It's equivalent to a single point on an LOP that is every bit as good as one generated with an intercept method. In fact, if you follow Sumner and simply work each time sight twice with somewhat different latitudes, the line of position that you get by running a line through the two lat/lon's is every bit as good as an LOP generated by any more modern method, just so long as you're using tables that have similar mathematical accuracy to a "modern" method.

    By the way, there's one BIG advantage of a Sumner line of position over an intercept method LOP that may not have been mentioned yet (or emphasized loudly enough). You can plot Sumner lines on ANY graph paper. You don't need the "conformal" projection of a plotting chart; you don't have to worry about the changing scale for longitude that preserves angular relationships since you never calculate or plot any azimuths. Of course if you want to use a single LOP for bearing on land or similar then you would need to use some sort of conformal plotting chart, but that's a secondary application of the method.

    -FER


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