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Re: Lunar refernce
From: Jean-Philippe Planas
Date: 2006 Apr 12, 00:21 -0700
JPP
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From: Jean-Philippe Planas
Date: 2006 Apr 12, 00:21 -0700
Dear Todd,
I can also recommend the excellent Henning Umland's Wel pages on lunars if they are still on the air.
JPP
Alexandre E Eremenko <eremenko@MATH.PURDUE.EDU> wrote:
Alexandre E Eremenko <eremenko@MATH.PURDUE.EDU> wrote:
Dear Todd,
The best reference for the lunars is THIS LIST.
There are several books (I know one!) and websites
on the Lunars, all of them were extensively discussed
on this list. The best website (on my opinioon) is
www.clockwk.com/lunars/
But I hope the Lunars experts forgive me if I include
A VERY SHORT INTRODUCTION TO LUNARS:-)
In XVII century, the most pressing question of the whole science
was "how to find longitude".
From the beginning, there were two competing methods:
1. Making a (very) good clock (chronometer) and
2. Lunar distances (=Lunars as they are known in English-speaking
countries).
(I do not mention many other methods proposed which proved to be
non-practiceable, at least at sea).
Until the end of XVIII century these two methods seriously
competed.
By the end of the 1-st quarter of XIX century chronometers won
the competition, (because of the simplicity of the chronometer method) but
Lunars were still used (mainly to check chronometers)
probably to the beginning of XIX century, occasionally.
From the beginning of 20-s century, chronometers also gradually
became obsolete, because of the invention of Radio.
(If you can get time signals few times a day, your wristwatch
is not worse than the best chronometer).
Still, chronometers were widely used, until 1970-s, and are used to this
time, at
least in some countries:-)
So in XX century, the lunars were completely forgotten, not taught
at schools and no tables to use them were published.
Sometime in the beginning of 1980-s, the whole subject of Cel Nav
became obsolete "for all practical purposes"
because of the cheap
satellite navigation systems.
(But marine people are extremally conservative, they still teach Cel Nav;
in come countries this is even REQUIRED to obtain certain licences.
In some countries, sextants and chronometers are still required on every
commercial
ship:-)
A strange thing happened in the end of 1990-s.
Some people decided to revive this ancient Lunars method.
Why not? There are people who like to do all sorts of non-profit,
non-commercial activities:-) Who sail, who collect ancient furniture,
or ancient steam engines, chronometers, sextants etc., and even wish
to USE these things.
So they revived this almost completely forgotten method of
Lunar distances.
2. The essence of the method. You want to know the TIME.
Some absolute time not related to your longitude.
You have to use some celestial phenomenon which will give you
this absolute time. But the sky does not change much.
(Except the daily rotation which gives you relative, local time.)
There are essentially two phenomena in the sky which can be observed
inbdependently of your longitude, and which change quickly enough to
help you determine the time. These are the Moon motion with
respect to the stars and the motion of Jupiter satellites.
Jupiter satellites are better if you are on land, and not in a hurry,
and have a powerful telescope, installed on a firm foundation.
Moon is preferable if you are at sea.
Resume.
Lunar distances is a method of determinimg your position
WITHOUT knowing time.
You can scan this list archive for more info,
or to go dtraight to the web site mentioned above.
Alex.
JPP
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