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Gentlemen (and especially our esteemed site master):

Most other lists I belong to preface the subject line with the list name
in square brackets.  Thus, for example, the above subject line would
look like " [Nav-L] Re: Missing messages (for Dan Hogan, etc) "

It sounds as if the overly eager spam filters are being run by ISPs and
there's no way to "whitelist" mail sources, but I'm wondering if adding
the list name might not calm them down a bit...

Lu Abel

jcs wrote:
> Dan, et al;
> This morning I received three messages from NAV-L, all from Ken Gebhart all
> from the same server. All of them were welcome and in no way exceptional.
> The first message was labelled  ***SPAM***  The last two were not.
> Reading the header information, the first message was given rating by
> something called  X-ME-Spamlevel of 'notspam' and X-ME- spamrating '
> 70.15 '
> .  The last two were each designated 'notspam' ; 47.3 and 44.5
> respectively.
> The first message was labelled ***spam*** on its title and would ordinarily
> have been invisibly dumped by my filter had I not been watching out for
> this.
> Somewhere between Nav-l and my ISP messages are being vetted and false
> reputations attached.
>
> Regards,
>
> Clive.
>
>
>
>
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Hogan" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Missing messages (for Dan Hogan, etc.)
>
>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: George Huxtable 
>>> To: 
>>> Date: 2/8/2006 1:52:28 PM
>>> Subject: Missing messages (for Dan Hogan, etc.)
>>
>>
>> [SNIP of SPAM Problem]
>>
>>> How can we deal with this? First, is it really a genuine problem,
>>
>> affecting many Nav-L members?
>>
>> I am having the same problem my Spam filter marks certain Nav-L messages
>> as
>> spam.
>>
>>> Second, am I right in diagnosing it as a spam-filter problem?
>>
>>
>> Definitely a SPAM filter problem.
>>
>>> Second, can we at least be sure when we are missing messages? Would
>>> it be
>>
>> possible for Nav-L to
>>
>>> attach a serial number to each message, incrementing by 1? Could this be
>>
>> appended to the "subject"
>>
>>> line, perhaps? Or even automatically inserted as the first line in the
>>
>> text? Then, we could be quite
>>
>>> sure about what's being missed. I am no expert on such matters, so have
>>
>> no idea whether such a
>>
>>> suggestion would be impossible to implement, or trivially easy.
>>
>>
>> Both. Most individual ISPs have their own Spam Filters and individual
>> computer users  have spam filters.
>> I would use only ONE program.
>>
>> One need to know and understand how each Spam Filter operates. The are
>> NOT
>> alike.
>>
>>> One approach may be for me to ignore Nav-L incoming Email altogether,
>>> and
>>
>> instead go to the website
>>
>>> archive. Would that fix the problem?
>>
>>
>> That's doing it the hard way. Find out how your spam filters the messages
>> and how to set the ALLOW filter.
>> Also the problem can occur with the way the Email Client program produces
>> the message headings and addresses.
>>
>> My ISP (Earthlink) has their own Spam, Virus, and Pop-Up programs I
>> switched to hem from Symantic.
>>
>> I get 2-3 Nav-L messages in my Suspicious Message file a day. I OK them
>> for
>> incoming mail and they seem to not repeat.
>> But you need to check in the suspicious file of what ever Spam Program
>> you
>> use. And don't set it to delete ALL Spam.
>> Use the built in filters of the program
>>
>>> It seems that those damned spammers are destroying the usefulness of
>>
>> emails. Must they win?
>>
>> I hope not.
>>
>> Dan Hogan
>> dhhogan1@earthlink.net
>> http://www.offsoundings.info/navl.htm
>>
>>
>
>

   

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