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I don't think we are learning much about why WEBKAHUNA sometimes fails to
send messages, and IRBS.COM sometimes fails to archive the emails that it
receives from WEBKAHUNA.

The list server at WEBKAHUNA, which sends out emails for us, and the
COMPLETELY SEPARATE archive server at i-DEADLINK-com are both mysteries.  If we
could get information from Andy Finkelstein, who is responsible for
WebKahuna, and the owner of IRBS.COM (whoever that is), we might know more
than we know now.

Here are some random observations, just to muddy the discussion further:

* IRBS.COM doesn't seem to archive LARGE messages when it receives them,
even though WEBKAHUNA sends them out just fine -- witness Peter Ilfland's RC
aerobatics video which does not appear under the subject line "Amazing" at
http://www.i-DEADLINK-com/lists/navigation/0605/index.html, and George Huxtable's
response the email, proving he received it.  It also did not archive Andres
Ruiz's message of June 8 with the circles in it
(http://www.i-DEADLINK-com/lists/navigation/0606/author.html, under the subject "
Re: [NAV-L] Position from crossing two circles: was [NAV-L]
Reality              check"), even though the message was "only" 55KB.  Who
knows if IRBS.COM received the message from WEBKAHUNA, though.  I received
the message, but George Huxtable did not.

* WEBKAHUNA just sometimes does not seem to send messages out sometimes,
regardless of their length.  I have seen complaints about messages with
embedded graphics and just-plain-text messages.

* WEBKAHUNA hosts a number of lists
(http://www.lsoft.com/scripts/wl.exe?XH=LISTSERV.WEBKAHUNA.COM)

* NAVIGATION-L has some kind of daily threshold, set to 1000, whatever that
means.
http://www.lsoft.com/scripts/wl.exe?SL2=5402&R=2&N=NAVIGATION-L@LISTSERV.WEB
KAHUNA.COM  Most of the other lists hosted at WEBKAHUNA do not have this
limit.  I don't if this threshold is relevant.

* I really kind of liked Frank Reed's demo navigation-l at Google groups
(http://groups.google.com/group/NavList?gvc=2). The list server seems quite
reliable.  If you browse groups there, you don't see people complaining
about not receiving their messages, or about messages not getting on the
GOOGLE archives (whether they would make it onto the IRBS archives would
still be up to what ever IRBS.COM decides to do with the emails when it
receives them)

* I also don't see Google groups users complaining about list members
sending HTML or big attachments, because each list member can CHOOSE if they
want the HTML + attachments version or the JUST PLAIN TEXT version with the
odd RC aerobatics video stripped out.

I hope Frank continues work on his combined archive, even though the
navigation list did not collectively decide to move to his proposed new list
server.  Of course, we can collectively decide to adopt a new list server
any time we feel like it.  Zed can continue to be our new list manager, if
he and Frank agree.

Renee

   

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