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Re: Navigation in Fog
From: Gary LaPook
Date: 2007 Feb 19, 12:19 -0800
From: Gary LaPook
Date: 2007 Feb 19, 12:19 -0800
second test On Feb 19, 12:09 pm, glap...@PACBELL.NET wrote: > just a test > > On Feb 18, 3:22 am, Nicolàs de Hilsterwrote: > > > Dear Gary, > > > Great pictures! > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. From what I understand is that you get > > great repeatability, but not a good absolute value. I assume you will > > need to calibrate the whole setup so that when the polarising filter > > 'disappears' against the background the orientation is truly towards the > > sun. Is there an easy way to do this calibration? Would you be able to > > do this experiment while still observing the sun directly, or should the > > sun already be below the horizon? Have you any idea how accurate such a > > calibration would be? > > > Nicolàs > > > glap...@PACBELL.NET wrote: > > >To follow up on my previous post about the "sky compass." > > > >As an experiment I cut out a small rectangle of celophane and laid it > > >on top of a polaroid camera filter. I then balanced this on top of my > > >astro-compass and placed a small mirror below it so that I could look > > >through the celophane-polaroid filter combination up at the zenith. I > > >used the astro-compass because it has a base that can be leveled and > > >it rotates against an azimuth scale so that I could make accurate > > >readings. I waited for the sun to be setting and then rotated the > > >astro-compass to cause the light to match on the filter and celophane. > > >This match point is very distinct. Rotate it slightly to the right and > > >the celophane portion is darker than the uncovered part of the filter, > > >too far left and the celophane was lighter than the other part. By > > >rotating the compass both right and left and reading the azimuth at > > >the match point I determined that the repeatabliity of this reading > > >was plus or minus only two degrees, close enough for practical > > >navigation. If anyone is intersted I took some pictures of this > > >operation and I could scan the relevant pages from H.O. 216. and could > > >send them to you. > > > >Gary LaPook > > > >On Feb 17, 10:50 am, "Marcel Tschudin" > > >wrote: > > > >>I could imagine that this information would be useful for the authors > > >>of the paper. Of interest to me would be how such a "sky compass" > > >>would look like manufactured with the skills of the Vikings. > > > >>The article which I read was written by one of the co-authors and > > >>appeared in a Swiss newspaper. For those of you who are interested > > >>(Wolfgang?), you can find it herehttp://www.nzz.ch/2007/02/14/ft/articleEV4VN.html > > > >>Marcel > > > >>On 2/17/07, glap...@pacbell.net wrote: > > > >>>This technique was used in the "sky compass" (invented in 1948) which > > >>>mounted in the sextant mount of aircraft for polar navigation. It > > >>>works by determining the polarization of light directly overhead, at > > >>>the zeneth, which then shows the azimuth to the sun even though the > > >>>sun is not visible and possibly several degrees below the horizon. > > >>>These "twilight periods" can last for weeks in high latitudes. The > > >>>sky compass is completely discribed in "Air Navigation" H.O. 216 > > >>>(1962) and is also mentioned in "Bowditch" (1962.) > > > >>>You can experiment and see how it works. Get a polarizing filter, > > >>>either for a camera or a polarized sun glass lens. Hold it overhead, > > >>>looking through it at the zenith and rotate it in azimuth and you will > > >>>see the sky alternately lighten and darken as the polarizer > > >>>alternately lines up with the polarization axis of the sun light, it's > > >>>azimuth, and then crosses it. The light and dark points are 90º apart. > > >>>Although this can give you a general azimuth to the sun the change in > > >>>intensity is hard to judge accurately. So the next step is to get a > > >>>piece of cellophane from a craft shop (or they may still use it on > > >>>cigarette packs). Cut a piece to cover half of the poarizer and place > > >>>it on top of the lens, between the lens and the sky, then try the > > >>>experiment again. The two halves of the view through the polarizer > > >>>will lighten and darken out of phase with each other. (You may have to > > >>>try different orientations of the cellophane.) You will find four > > >>>points where both sides will be the same intensity and this is very > > >>>sharp and can be judged accurately but this causes a 90º ambiguity. By > > >>>adjusting the orientation of the cellophane you will end up with four > > >>>match points but two will be darker than the other two. This leaves > > >>>you with an easy to manage 180º ambiguity. > > > >>>It works. > > > >>>Gary LaPook > > >>>On Feb 14, 7:40 pm, "Peter Fogg" wrote: > > > >>>> Marcel Tschudin wrote: > > > >>>>>Just read in German a summary on a published paper. The author(s?) > > >>>>>investigate(s) whether it was possible for the Vikings to use the > > >>>>>polarised light of the sky for navigation, this with the help of the > > >>>>>"sun stone" (Sonnenstein). Those of you who are interested in this may > > >>>>>read the original paper in English: > > > >>>> Polarising filters can indicate the direction of the sun, even under > > >>>>overcast skies, and have proved useful for this, especially in Arctic > > >>>>regions. > > > >>>>Here is that abstract, from:http://www.journals.royalsoc.ac.uk/(byfonk55wemothqi02m1ir45)/app/hom... > > > >>>>*Abstract:* > > > >>>>In sunshine, the Vikings navigated on the open sea using sundials. According > > >>>>to a widespread hypothesis, when the Sun was occluded by fog or clouds the > > >>>>Vikings might have navigated by skylight polarization detected with an > > >>>>enigmatic birefringent crystal (sunstone). There are two atmospheric optical > > >>>>prerequisites for this alleged polarimetric Viking navigation under > > >>>>foggy/cloudy skies: (1) the degree of linear polarization *p* of skylight > > >>>>should be high enough and (2) at a given Sun position, the pattern of the > > >>>>angle of polarization *α* of the foggy/cloudy sky should be similar to that > > >>>>of the clear sky. Until now, these prerequisites have not been investigated. > > >>>>Using full-sky imaging polarimetry, we measured the *p*- and *α*-patterns of > > >>>>Arctic foggy and cloudy skies when the Sun was invisible. These patterns > > >>>>were compared with the polarization patterns of clear Arctic skies. We show > > >>>>here that although prerequisite (2) is always fulfilled under both foggy and > > >>>>cloudy conditions, if the fog layer is illuminated by direct sunlight, > > >>>>prerequisite (1) is usually satisfied only for cloudy skies. In sunlit fog, > > >>>>the Vikings could have navigated by polarization only, if *p* of light from > > >>>>the foggy sky was sufficiently high. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to NavList@fer3.com To , send email to NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---