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    Re: Negative numbers
    From: Alexandre Eremenko
    Date: 2024 Mar 9, 15:13 +0000

    David,
    You wrote:
    
    > I imagine there's also the problem of different authorities assigning 
    negative numbers to different directions.  SHA increases to the west while 
    right ascension (e.g. 
    > 2102-D star finder) increases to the east.  Avoiding negative numbers can 
    help avoid headaches when using references from different publishers.
    
    There is a very fundamental reason for this.
    The whole celestial sphere (currying stars, planets, Sun and Moon with it) 
    rotates clockwise (daily rotation), if you observe from the Northern 
    hemisphere.
    That is E to W.  That is the direction of increase of hour angle. This is why 
    the hands of our watches rotate this way.
    
    With respect to this sphere, everything (planets, Sun, Moon) rotate 
    counterclockwise (this comes from the yearly rotation of the Earth and 
    planets around sun,
    and Moon around the Earth.) So they choose this as positive directions in all 
    coordinate systems which do not depend on the daily rotation.
    
    These choices were made in antiquity, exactly with the purpose to minimize or 
    avoid using negative numbers:-)
    
    Alex.
    
    
    

       
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