Welcome to the NavList Message Boards.

NavList:

A Community Devoted to the Preservation and Practice of Celestial Navigation and Other Methods of Traditional Wayfinding

Compose Your Message

Message:αβγ
Message:abc
Add Images & Files
    Name or NavList Code:
    Email:
       
    Reply
    Re: Odd USNO web app clone results
    From: Frank Reed
    Date: 2023 Mar 24, 10:36 -0700

    Ed Popko, you wrote:
    "An hour later at 17:05:00, it has substantially jumped to an impossible 336.3 degrees..."

    Impossible? No. Let's do it in our heads. You're at latitude 20°N and longitude 74° W. June 24 is just a few days after the June solstice so the Declination of the Sun would be very close to 23.4° N. We shouldn't need an almanac for that! In this longitude we're about five hours from Greenwich. The Mean Sun would cross this meridian (in other words it would be close to local apparent noon) about five hours after Greenwich noon (actually 4h 56m at 74° from Greenwich, but then the Sun is a few minutes slow to the meridian in late June --equation of time-- so we can call it five hours exactly, for the sake of an estimate). At local noon, quite close to 1700 UT, the Sun would pass due north of the observer, azimuth 360°/0°, at an altitude of about 86.6°. Five minutes later, as in your example, the Sun would have moved rather quickly into the northwest (quickly because of the very high altitude), consistent with the azimuth shown in the web app, and its altitude will have dropped a bit. So, no, not impossible! Surprising? Perhaps. But I would bet this is a case where you changed an entry in your experiment, maybe the latitude?, and simply didn't realize it when you looked at the outcome.

    You could also test against the new rendition of the USNO web app: https://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/celnav. A minor issue to notice: it lists a date entry format of "YYYY-MM-DD" which is obviously backwards. Their web app also now allows UTC entry to the nearest millisecond, which is ludicrous on multiple levels. In the output data, they've also made a few harmless (and pointless) formatting changes in recent months, but be aware that the underlying engine still apparently outputs coordinates only to 0.001° precision. That would be fine, but when such coordinates are converted to minutes and tenths, as is the standard for this sort of app, the rounding process occasionally changes the last digit by a tenth of a minutes of arc. Therefore the official USNO web app output regularly differs from the official Nautical Almanac as published by 0.1' (my web app does not have this issue). This is insignificant for navigation, but it shouldn't happen in any case.

    Frank Reed
    Clockwork Mapping / ReedNavigation.com
    Conanicut Island USA

       
    Reply
    Browse Files

    Drop Files

    NavList

    What is NavList?

    Get a NavList ID Code

    Name:
    (please, no nicknames or handles)
    Email:
    Do you want to receive all group messages by email?
    Yes No

    A NavList ID Code guarantees your identity in NavList posts and allows faster posting of messages.

    Retrieve a NavList ID Code

    Enter the email address associated with your NavList messages. Your NavList code will be emailed to you immediately.
    Email:

    Email Settings

    NavList ID Code:

    Custom Index

    Subject:
    Author:
    Start date: (yyyymm dd)
    End date: (yyyymm dd)

    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site