Welcome to the NavList Message Boards.

NavList:

A Community Devoted to the Preservation and Practice of Celestial Navigation and Other Methods of Traditional Wayfinding

Compose Your Message

Message:αβγ
Message:abc
Add Images & Files
    Name or NavList Code:
    Email:
       
    Reply
    Re: Position from crossing two circles : was [NAV-L] Reality check
    From: Michael Dorl
    Date: 2006 Jun 8, 14:27 -0500

    At 11:29 AM 6/8/2006, you wrote:
    >Michael Dorl wrote:
    >
    >>Since one has a good idea of the course and speed between any two
    >>observations,
    >>it seems to me the problem is to determine points on the equal altitude
    >>circles separated by that vector.
    
    and Herbert Prinz replied
    
    >Right. And this has to be done point for point along the circle, not by
    >just moving its center by that vector. The "circle" isn't a circle on a
    >mercator projection to start with and changes its shape when being moved
    >north or south. Said vector translates to different delta longitude at
    >different latitudes, so by how much do you shift the GP of the star? You
    >know this only after you have the latitude of your fix.
    
    Bear with me...
    
    I'm not thinking of any kind of graphical solution but rather the spherical
    trig behind it. Consider two observations A and B.  Call the zeniths ZA and
    ZB and the great circle between them AB.  Now think of a great circle
    passing through ZA offset from AB by some angle X. We can write equations
    for coordinates of points on the equal altitude circle for A as a function
    of X, ZA, and the observed altitude of A.  Those equations represent places
    we could have been when we made observation A. Now since the equations give
    us a starting position, can't we extend the starting point by the vector
    representing the distance we traveled between observing A and B and write
    equations for the ending point as a function of X, ZA, and the distance
    sailed vector? I understand  this requires that we make some assumptions
    about the shape of the Earth. Also we end up with whatever errors occur
    when translating speed - time - bearing
    data to great circle data but these errors will arise in any treatment of
    this problem. Ok, so now we have equations for our ending position as a
    function of X, ZA, the altitude of A, and the distance sailed vector.  Now
    we can write equations for the observed altitude
    of B from our ending position as functions of X, ZA, the altitude of A, the
    distance sailed  vector and ZB.  Solve these equations for X knowing the
    observed altitude of B.  There will in general be two solutions on opposite
    sides of AB.  Knowing X, we can compute our
    starting and ending positions.
    
    
    

       
    Reply
    Browse Files

    Drop Files

    NavList

    What is NavList?

    Get a NavList ID Code

    Name:
    (please, no nicknames or handles)
    Email:
    Do you want to receive all group messages by email?
    Yes No

    A NavList ID Code guarantees your identity in NavList posts and allows faster posting of messages.

    Retrieve a NavList ID Code

    Enter the email address associated with your NavList messages. Your NavList code will be emailed to you immediately.
    Email:

    Email Settings

    NavList ID Code:

    Custom Index

    Subject:
    Author:
    Start date: (yyyymm dd)
    End date: (yyyymm dd)

    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site
    Visit this site