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Re: Sea level rise (off-topic)
From: Frank Reed CT
Date: 2006 Jul 8, 17:52 -0500
From: Frank Reed CT
Date: 2006 Jul 8, 17:52 -0500
Hi Fred, you wrote: "There was a lot of "noise" in those data. There's a strong linear trend, but there also may be some non-linear ones as well. There's a large spike in the second half of the nineties, which MAY be related to the current widely reported melting of the Arctic ice sheet, which only started in the 90s, to my understanding. I'm not arguing about all the bs surrounding global warming, just about these particular data and their relation to the other data we have coming in. I agree about the imprecision of the weather "forecasts" for the effect of rising CO2." That web site includes some other very nice graphs. Here, for example, is the interannual variation: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/residual1980.shtml?stnid=8518750 That takes the same data set and subtracts the linear trend. If there's any quadratic non-linearity, it would show up here. This also includes higher resolution for the past 25 years and makes it much more obvious, in my opinion, that there's no recent "spike". There's plenty of interesting noise and some of it can be explained. For example, there's a bump in sea level in the early 1980s that's connected with a well-understood long-period oscillation in the North Atlantic (if memory serves, the Europeans had slightly lower than average sea level in the early 1980s, but I don't know that for sure). By the way, the break-up of the Arctic pack ice involves floating ice only and even if it melts completely that does not change sea level. On the other hand, if the Greenland glaciers go into high gear, then land ice becomes floating ice and this does raise sea level. Although mountain glaciers are melting, and have been melting for a long time, the quantity of water they contribute is relatively small. The sea level rise that we see can still be attributed to global warming (of whatever cause) but the mechanism is simple thermal expansion of the water in the oceans. The same thing happens every summer at shore locations. Tides in Connecticut (both high and low) are a bit higher in August than in January because the water close to shore is much warmer. The Gulf Stream right now is about four inches higher than the water to the north of it because it is much warmer. -FER 42.0N 87.7W, or 41.4N 72.1W. www.HistoricalAtlas.com/lunars --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to NavList@fer3.com To , send email to NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---