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Re: Set and Drift
From: Bill B
Date: 2006 Jun 6, 23:21 -0400
From: Bill B
Date: 2006 Jun 6, 23:21 -0400
Eddie Immense help. I did find one *big* blunder on my part. When I derived one of the angles in the oblique triangle: sine angle = (sin 6d 53' 16"/.954) * 7.973333 = 88.8d I labeled the wrong angle! Therefore my geometry was off by approx 4d (too low). Now I get 140.7 d, so close enough to 141. It hit me like a brick while reading your response. My .954 nm is spot on--for a 52 minute run. For an hour, more like 1.1 nm drift. Duh. On a small craft I generally prefer to do things graphically, and extend it out to a whole hour and find a scale that will fill an 8 1/2" x 11" sheet of paper. Then I can check the results out with math if I need to be spot on. The graphics work as a sanity check for math blunders. By starting out mathematically I failed to get my head out of the boat, and kept playing with results from a 52 minute run and resultant triangle. Regarding your point on graphic solutions being an educated guess, I agree. Given a professional drafting board and quality instruments, I am use to doing much better. Given a chart with distortions by default (depending to some degree on projection and scale), and relatively crude drafting instruments and conditions, pulling set off a 1" line and transferring it to a compass rose, or using a plastic one-arm protractor or other device, is at best problematic. One of these days I need to acquire a fine (Russian?) three arm protractor like Alex's. Not too much I can do about projecting a sphere onto a flat surface and the resultant problems. As for the Coast Guard tests, they are assuming a large commercial craft, so they don't give you +/- 0.2 nm and set within +/- 10 degrees. More like .1 nm and 1d or less. Thanks so much for getting me out of the rut I was stuck in. A lesson well learned. Bill > Hi Bill, > > I get (almost) the same result as the solution requested: > > True course is 45d. > COG is 51.9d. > Distance travelled is 7.9nm. > > So far so good. > > I am used to extending the distance to speed, so I get > 7.9nm * 60min/h / 52min = 9.1kts SOG > > Using Vector math and solving (polar (r, phi) vectors): > > (9.1kts @ 52d) - (9.2kts @ 45d) = (1.12kts @ 143.6d) > > Varying the SOG/COG values just a little yields very different > results. Taking such values of a plotting paper or a chart is > mostly "guess work". I use a rough estimate to call an answer > to such a question as in your example correct when drift is within > +/- 0.2 nm and set is withing +/- 10 degrees when I have to correct > such exams. > > Something seems to be off with your triangle calculations, as > your results up to that point are the same as I have. > > Hope this helps, > Eddie > > On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 08:56:40PM -0400, Bill wrote: >>> I'll forward your "problem" to where I work, where I can look at the chart >>> and >>> see where they came up with their answer. Sorry I can't help sooner. I'll >>> try to have an answer to you around 00h00 (UTC) 8 Jun. >> >> Thanks Pete >> >> I initially worked it without a chart using rectangular to polar conversion: >> >> dLat 4.9 >> dlon 8.3 >> Mean Lat 41d 13' 27" >> Conversion factor, lon to nm >> = mean lat cosine = .752137015 >> .752137015 * 8.3' lon = 6.242737222 nm >> >> After R to P conversion: >> Distance = 7.936105344 nm >> True = 051d 52' 16.3" >> >> C (psc) 056 >> D +04 E >> M 060 >> V -15W >> T 045 >> >> One angle of the oblique triangle >> = 051d 52' 16.3" - 045d = 006d 52' 16.3" >> >> One adjacent leg = 7.936105344 nm >> The other = time * speed = 52 min * 9.2 = 7.9733333 nm >> >> Using the law of cosines the drift leg = .954121933 nm >> Using the law of sines to derive the other angles and doing a bit of >> geometry, I come up with set of 136d 00.4' >> >> Plotting it graphically on the chart, on a plotting sheet, and in a computer >> drawing program, my results agree within +/- .05 nm and +/- 1d, so I am at a >> loss. >> >> Bill > > -- > __________________________________________________brainaid______________ > Christian Dost brainaid GbR Bluecher & Dost > software Monheimsallee 45 phone +49 241 5151 138 > D-52062 Aachen fax +49 241 5151 139 > ecd@brainaid.de Germany cell +49 172 9312808