NavList:

This discussion is foolish overall. Especially when it comes to
"big companies" hosting the list. Did anyone take a look at where
Navigation-L is hosted? - This is a server run by L-Soft. Take a
look at L-Softs products: They have listserv and an e-mail marketing
tool, the root of all spam we don't want.

Now, if you'd really want to solve this issue, including lost e-mails,
no banners, and being not run on a "big server" I would suggest running
this on a server at a university, at an ISP, or a private server with
reliable internet connection. The server needs to be accessible
physically by some person on the list and this person must be able to
configure and maintain "mailman" or some other mailing list software,
including the ability to debug and trace e-mails received and sent.

The archive could be kept where it is for now, with the option to
setup something similar (maybe based on Frank's work) on that server.

I have several Linux servers at home running on Sun Sparc machines,
well backuped an equiped with RAID disks, but I have also have 2-3
outages of several hours on my DSL line per year. I will look around
for a place to install such a service based on GPL software for the
mailing list, and keep you informed. I find the argument to be
independant of some big company worth while considering, but I don't see
how that counts with a company selling e-mail marketing software...

So everyone knows who to blame I will sign this with my full name
and my coordinates. Just my thoughts on the topic, from the point of
view of a software and network engineer.

Thanks,
Christian "Eddie" Dost
ecd@brainaid.de
http://brainaid.de/people/ecd
50N44 006E00

On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 02:20:49PM -0700, Frank Reed wrote:
>
> It appears that the opportunity to move the group to a new server has
> been lost. There are simply too many people in the group who are
> emotionally attached to the webkahnua service so there's no way to do
> this cleanly any longer.
>
> As I have stated repeatedly, I have no interest in splitting the
> community. This is not an "opposition list", as Peter Fogg put it.
>
> I'm going to set this list dormant as of midnight tonight, and I
> enourage everyone to post on Navigation-L from now on. In the event
> that Navigation-L crashes permanently, NavList can be re-opened on a
> moment's notice. You do not need to .
>
> -FER
>
>
>
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