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    Re: Sextant Trivia: Index Arm/Mirror Offset
    From: George Huxtable
    Date: 2006 Jul 27, 18:26 -0500

    GregR asked-

    On every sextant that I've ever seen, the index mirror is offset a few
    degrees clockwise with respect to the index arm itself (i.e. they're
    not parallel to each other). Is there a reason for that (or maybe it's
    just a tradition that survives to this day)?

    The only thing that I can think of offhand might have to do with the
    overall design scheme of the sextant itself (i.e. maybe something I'm
    not seeing here that makes the manufacturing process easier) - but the
    only thing that's obvious is that would move the index arc itself more
    counter-clockwise (or more to the right-hand side as you face the
    instrument), and I really don't see any advantage or disadvantage in
    doing that.

    I realize that the actual position of the mirrors is really irrelevant
    to getting an accurate reading (and any "offset" of the index mirror
    could easily be taken out with a corresponding offset in the horizon
    mirror), but wouldn't it be easier to just make the index mirror and
    arm parallel in the first place and be done with it?

    =======================

    Response from George.

    Well, I would throw the question back, and ask what's the problem
    about having the index mirror non-parallel with the index arm. Where
    would be the saving if they were made parallel?

    Here are some constraints in sextant design, to think about if you
    were rolling your own.

    First, forget about the index arm and scale, and just consider the
    mirrors and their optics.

    The index mirror must be mounted in line with the pivot axis so that
    its position doesn't shift as the arm turns.

    The horizon mirror must reflect light coming from the index mirror
    into the telescope. Or, looking the other way, horizontal light from
    the telescope would reflect in the horizon mirror directly toward the
    index mirror.

    The two mirrors need to be vertically separated so that (depending on
    their size) the index mirror doesn't get in the way of the telescope
    and its light path, and the horizon mirror doesn't get in the way of
    the light path seen by the index mirror when the index is set to zero.
    And also, there's sufficient room for the shades. That establishes the
    vertical offset between the two mirrors

    The aim is to be practicably able to measure angles to 120 degrees,
    without the height of the view of the index mirror shrinking
    vertically into an impossibly narrow letter-box slot. Therefore, index
    set at 120, we have to avoid near-grazing incidence on the index
    mirror. Let's assume that under these conditions, the light comes no
    closer than 10 deg to grazing incidence. At 120 deg altitude, the
    incoming light is 30 degrees from the vertical, behind the observer's
    head, so therefore, the index mirror needs to be 40 degrees from the
    vertical, at least. In which case, the light reflected toward the
    horizon mirror would be 50 deg from the vertical.

    The horizon mirror needs to deflect this light to a horizontal
    direction; that is, through 140 degrees. To do this, it has to be set
    to 20 deg off the vertical, at which you will see that angles of
    incidence and reflection are equal, as they should be, at 70 deg. So
    that's fixed the horizon mirror.

    Now what happens when we set the index to zero, to align the horizon
    with itself? The angle of the index mirror must change by just half
    the scale marking of 120, or actually 60 degrees. From being tilted 40
    deg from the vertical one way, it's now 20 deg from the vertical the
    other way. And notice that now both mirrors are tilted 20 deg from the
    vertical, so they are exactly parallel, just as they should be when
    set at zero.

    So that's why all sextants look more or less the same. A few are
    designed to cover a wider range of altitudes; a quintant goes to 144
    deg, and its horizon mirror is a bit more upright correspondingly. And
    then, to give itself enough elbow-room for its light paths, the
    horizon mirror has to be shifted a bit further forward, other things
    being equal. Other than that, there's little or no choice in where the
    mirrors must go; the geometry is defined by the application.

    ===================

    But none of that is really what GregR was asking. He wanted to know
    about where the index arm and scale could go, and we haven't
    considered that yet. The answer is- absolutely anywhere! It's designed
    entirely according to user convenience.

    Hadley's first octant (which is just like a sextant, but usually
    wooden, with a 90 deg range) had an arm that was horizontal when set
    to zero degrees, moving down to point toward the observer's collarbone
    when set at 90. Presumably, navigators objected to it poking them in
    the nose when making a zero-check! So his second sextant shifted the
    arc, so that the index arm was roughly vertical at mid-scale, and
    that's the way it has stayed ever since. In those days octants tended
    to have a very long arm and scale, up to 18 inches radius, so it was
    hard to find anywhere else to put it. Around 1790, sextants got much
    smaller, but still, an index arm where it is on all sextants is just
    in a naturally easy spot for the left hand to twiddle.

    GregR can design a sextant, if he wishes, in which the index mirror is
    parallel to its arm. But he could only do that by shifting the arm and
    scale, from its convenient location to an inconvenient one. Not by
    twisting the mirror, which is constrained by the way a sextant works.

    George.

    contact George Huxtable at george@huxtable.u-net.com
    or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222)
    or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK.


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