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Re: Short Term Proper Motion
From: Paul Hirose
Date: 2019 Mar 10, 16:37 -0700
From: Paul Hirose
Date: 2019 Mar 10, 16:37 -0700
On 2019-03-09 16:31, Bill Bertrand wrote: > The example: Bellatrix on Date: 2016/12/28 T 23:14:15 UTC > -- (Stellarium output for the date is listed below and the Bellatrix fragment of the Hipparcos catalog below that) > -- Dec J2000 (Stellarium & Hipparcos): 6°20'58.7" or 6°20.98' Note that the epoch of the Hipparcos catalog is J1991.25, so any J2000.0 coordinate must have been extrapolated. It can't have come directly from the catalog. That's true for both the original Hipparcos catalog and the re-reduction published about 10 years later. > -- Declination on that date (USNO, Stellarium): 6°21'41.0" or 6°21.68' > -- The Declination on the 2 dates differ by *0.7 minutes of arc!* Are you comparing like to like? To be unambiguous about a coordinate, its origin (solar system barycenter, heliocenter, geocenter, topocenter), "place" (geometric, astrometric, apparent), and reference system (ICRS, true equator and equinox, etc.) needs to be clear. For Bellatrix the parallax is only .013", so the coordinate origin makes no difference in this case. And there's no distinction between the geometric and astrometric place of a star. However, there's the matter of geometric place vs. apparent place and the ICRS vs. the true equator and equinox of date. I suspect the explanation for your discrepancy lies in that direction. At 2000-01-01 12:00 TT (= J2000.0) I get 81.28276 6.34970 geocentric geometric RA & dec (ICRS) 81.28827 6.34949 geocentric apparent (ICRS) 81.28459 6.34767 geocentric apparent (true equator and equinox) At 2016-12-28 23:14:15 UTC I get 81.28273 6.34964 geocentric geometric (ICRS) 81.28833 6.34952 geocentric apparent (ICRS) 81.51471 6.36103 geocentric apparent (true equator & equinox) The decrease in geocentric geometric declination is .00006°, which is consistent with -12.88 mas/yr in the catalog. Basis of computations: Hipparcos catalog 2nd reduction (van Leeuwin, 2007), IAU 2006 precession and 2000B nutation.