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Re: Sumner's Line (Navigation question)
From: Bill B
Date: 2006 Feb 14, 19:33 -0500
From: Bill B
Date: 2006 Feb 14, 19:33 -0500
> I wonder, though, why Bill is still so unwilling to splash out $14 on > the paperback, which will tell him all he wants to know. If it were available at my local bookstore, it would be in my hands by now. I do like to gang my purchases from Celestaire to reduce shipping costs, and am not ready to make my spring order yet. (Sailors can be notoriously frugal. A power boater sees something and asks what colors it comes in, and buys three. A sailor thinks, "I wonder how I can make one of those?") You can rest assured it is on my list. Frankly, there is so much more that I noticed in my quick read that I want to explore. His celestial LOP discovery was a breakthrough, and gives exactly the same LOP that current methods do. Past that, it seems he was thinking 100 years ahead of his time in some cases. I am surprised mathematicians did see problems to be solved and jump on them almost a century earlier. > Bowditch, in condensing Sumner's account to a single page, omits a lot more > than that. For > example, Sumner provides a full page of numerical calculation on page 15. Indeed, which I found somewhat curious (pgs 16 & 17 in the online version). In Sumner's recounting he was moving his latitude in 10' steps, but in example I all other elements seem to sync up, but if I am reading it correctly he is working in 1 degree increments (51 N and 52N) to establish an LOP. I did time sights using those latitudes, and the longitudes agree with the 51d and 52d N example. > > | 3. The Bowditch account omits the DR latitude. This is the major sin of > | omission, as if covers up (IMHO) that fact that latitude scale in the > | Bowditch figure is off by approx. 5 degrees. > > Does Bill mean 5 minutes? > Yes, my mistake. Good catch. > > ...and loaded Sumner's Plate III to the list's > dedicated blackboard site... > Thank you for your kindness. > > My Times World Atlas, dating back to the 1950s, in its gazetteer, puts Smalls > Lt. Ho. at 51deg 43' > N, 5deg 30' W. That's about 6 miles SE of where Sumner shows it on his Plate > III which I estimate to > be about 51deg 48' N, 5deg 34' W. We really need an Admiralty chart of the > 1830s to resolve that > one, and I have no charts of that area to hand; it's away from my usual > cruising-ground. > > The diagram in Bowditch puts the Smalls light at about 51deg 44' N, 5deg 30' > W, some 6 miles W of > its atlas position. > > I suppose it's possible, but doubtful, that the lighthouse has migrated, from > one rock to another, > over the years. By the 1830s, longitudes of the more important headlands and > lights around the > British coast had been rather precisely surveyed, but really detailed surveys > did not happen in the > Irish sea until the 1840s, with small steam paddlers. Of course, charts were > not always updated > tquickly to correspond, and Sumner might well have been using an old chart > anyway. > > Anyway, there seems to be some confusion about the matter, and if anyone has > access to old chart > information, they might be able to resolve it. I'll take a look in the > Bodleian Library, next visit > to Oxford. > > The gazetteer of my Times Atlas gives the modern position of Tusker Rock Lt.Ho > at 52deg 12' N, 6deg > 12' W. > > I wonder if that information helps Bill to put together his jigsaw. Yes, and thank you George. The thought of migrating lighthouses gave me a good laugh. I find your discovery/observations regarding the charts/plates extremely interesting. As is so often the case, ewhen we answer one question, a new one pops up to take its place. Bill